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Survey Finds Most American Christians Are Actually Heretics
The Federalist ^ | OCTOBER 10, 2016 | G. Shane Morris

Posted on 10/18/2016 3:08:25 PM PDT by Brookhaven

Evangelicals Didn’t Even Study for This Test

...this year, LifeWay used more stringent criteria for evangelical faith, as defined by some group called the National Association of Evangelicals. Only participants who called the Bible their highest authority, said personal evangelism is important, and indicated that trusting in Jesus’ death on the cross is the only way of salvation, were labeled “evangelical.” They totaled 586 survey-takers.

Everyone expected them to perform better than most Americans. No one expected them to perform worse. Seven in ten evangelicals—more than the population at large—said that Jesus was the first being God created. Fifty-six percent agreed that “the Holy Spirit is a divine force but not a personal being.” They also saw a huge increase in evangelicals (28 percent, up from 9 percent) who indicated that the Third Person of the Trinity is not equal with God the Father or Jesus, a direct contradiction of orthodox Christianity.

As before, it’s really the contradictory answers, not the outright heresies, that should most concern us. By definition, the evangelicals in this survey believed that “only those who trust in Jesus Christ alone as their Savior receive God’s free gift of eternal salvation.” Yet nearly half agreed that “God accepts the worship of all religions including Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.”

Former Newsday religion reporter Kenneth Briggs recently told Religion News Service that the faith he finds in “mega-type churches” is a “Bible-less,” “alternative version of Christianity.” Scripture, he says, has become “a museum exhibit, hallowed as a treasure but enigmatic and untouched.”

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TOPICS: General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: christianity; christians; discipleship; doctrine; evangelicals
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To: boatbums

What we know as the King James translation is a significant early work in the history of the Protestant movement in Christendom. Because it is thus revered, and because it was proposed to be an “Authorized Version” for the Anglican Church, some Christians believe this bible is God’s one anointed bible in English.

I obviously disagreee :-)

The bible is a robust text, compassing its message round about from many points of view, which is why the worldview it imparts can and does survive the process of rendering into different languages and dialects. It’s about looking through its words to a larger reality behind them, which the Holy Spirit will not fail to illuminate when asked. “Does any one of you lack wisdom?”

Good Christian students will dig and not rest on a single proof text without larger supporting context. The bible rhymes with itself. If our reading of something in the bible fails to rhyme with the rest, this is a sign of misreading something.

The onlyists seem to have a superficial model of what the bible is about. It is the lesson book from which the Holy Spirit teaches. It was never meant to be a private, isolated self study, no matter how sublime its form.


161 posted on 10/20/2016 6:00:58 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Brookhaven

These are matters of faith. Faith is not a matter of mere choice, it is what one truly believes. This cannot be easily manipulated. I believe in God, and I believe in Jesus Christ His only Son our Lord. I believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, but I don’t believe that every word is to be taken literally. Rather, the Bible contains the truths that we need to love and follow God.

Whether God accepts the worship of those who believe differently than I do is a matter FAR above my pay grade. Whether God will save those who believe differently than I do, either a little (different denominations) or a lot (different religions) is to be determined by God, and not by me or other human beings. I think of the parable of the workers in the vineyard, where Jesus describes how those who arrived near the end of the work day received the same pay as those who worked from the morning. The owner of the vineyard told those who grumbled (in essence) “It is my money, and I can pay it as I wish. Did I not pay you what was agreed?” When is the end of the “work day”? Another question above my pay grade.

My job is to follow Christ’s two commandments: Love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength; and Love your neighbor as yourself (and everyone is you neighbor). I have my hands full trying to keep these two commandments, without trying to resolve matters that are not for me to decide in any event.


162 posted on 10/20/2016 6:02:32 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Every time a talking head comes on they should be identified on screen as a Socialist or a "Independent" affiliated. Put a "S" after their name or an "I".

Example: "Juan Williams -S FoxNews"

163 posted on 10/20/2016 6:07:15 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: WhatNot

This is based on a tendentious theology.

People want to say it was Jesus Christ preincarnate (to the point of capitalizing S in Son) in the blaze. The Hebrew does not explicitly support this and the NIV (blasphemy!) is pretty good about bringing a literal rendition of the Hebrew. (Why aren’t you looking at the NASB or other contemporary conservative renditions, however? Is it because you want strawmen to pan?)

Indeed you SHOULD be a Berean — that would eliminate the problem. If you want to hang a footnote on that verse and opine that this was Jesus Christ preincarnate, by all means feel welcome to. But that’s your commentary. That isn’t the text. This verse explains how it looked to the pagan king. To see a pagan shade on it is utterly, perfectly logical.


164 posted on 10/20/2016 6:08:46 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: central_va

‘P’ for ‘Progressive’ or ‘G’ for ‘Globalist’ might be a better idea.


165 posted on 10/20/2016 6:10:32 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.com)
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To: Elsie
Are you not the fella that had to explain the difference between earliest and original?

No, I'm the fella that says, the originals don't exist, and who asked you a question you have yet to answer.

I'll ask again, Wasn't it the Jews in the time of Jesus, who looked God Amighty right in the face, and said "crucify him"?

166 posted on 10/20/2016 6:12:57 AM PDT by WhatNot (The Gospel doesn't promise the American dream, it promises Eternal life in the Kingdom of God.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Really? Was the pagan king expressing his pagan shade when in verse 28 he says God (singular) not god's (plural), not once, but three times,

OR is that just more KJV tomfoolary?

167 posted on 10/20/2016 6:54:19 AM PDT by WhatNot (The Gospel doesn't promise the American dream, it promises Eternal life in the Kingdom of God.)
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To: Elsie
I don't understand your comment, unless you mean that the answer to "Who decides?" is "each person." Each person can be Humpty Dumpty and decide, not only which books shall go into his/her Bible, but assign new meanings to words, if they feel so inclined..

IS that what you meant?

168 posted on 10/20/2016 7:09:35 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Inquiring minds want to know.)
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To: Elsie
A shame? It's rather an honor that Mary should appear so many times on Earth.

Only about nine (9) (only 9) of these --- through the last 20 centuries --- have been officially vetted and found OK in the sense of, worthy as an aid to devotion to God, and not a danger to faith and morals. None of it is "de fide", part of the "deposit of faith" which must be believed.

You probably already knew that, Elsie, but I'm putting it in there fore the sake of the lurkers.

169 posted on 10/20/2016 7:14:26 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Inquiring minds want to know.)
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To: Elsie
Yes.

???

And so?

170 posted on 10/20/2016 7:15:16 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Inquiring minds want to know.)
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To: Elsie
"Was Luther the ONLY one?"

??

The only one what?

The nnly one that wanted to remove the Epistle of James from the NT?

171 posted on 10/20/2016 7:16:39 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Inquiring minds want to know.)
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To: Elsie

The scroll of Isaiah is in the Septuagint, as well as every other translation of the Bible.


172 posted on 10/20/2016 7:18:42 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of ... that was the point.)
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To: WhatNot
I'll ask again, Wasn't it the Jews in the time of Jesus, who looked God Amighty right in the face, and said "crucify him"?

who else?

Are you leading up to something?

or away?

173 posted on 10/20/2016 7:32:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I don't understand your comment,

You never have...

174 posted on 10/20/2016 7:33:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Only NINE?

Jesus is coming back only ONCE more!


175 posted on 10/20/2016 7:34:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You do seem to have a hard time understanding today!


176 posted on 10/20/2016 7:35:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Is there a SCROLL of Septuagint?


177 posted on 10/20/2016 7:36:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
`

Septuagint Scrolls (LINK)

`

Dead Sea Scroll, Isaiah, Septuagint

178 posted on 10/20/2016 7:53:32 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of ... that was the point.)
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To: Elsie
I only asked what you meant. You're the only one who can answer that.

Please.

179 posted on 10/20/2016 7:54:41 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of ... that was the point.)
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To: FourtySeven
If the KJV was good enough for Paul, it’s good enough for me dagnabbit!

It's been said by those who have studied it that the available transcripts collected from the Dead Sea Scrolls do in fact pretty much match the scriptures of the KJV as compared to the other translations...

So not only was the KJV good enough for those early Christians, it likely was good enough for Paul as well...

180 posted on 10/20/2016 8:25:50 AM PDT by Iscool
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