Is Mary not a Virgin? The German Bishops’ New Bible Translation Leaves it... Unclear

LifeSite News ^ | 9/21/16 | Jan Bentz

[marshmallow]

GERMANY, September 21, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) — The German Bishops have presented a new “Unified Translation” of the Bible that follows a significant modernization of the language and will be binding for all German-speaking areas starting in 2017.

On Tuesday, the German Bishops Conference (DBK) presented in Fulda the fruit of many years of scientific work: a new edition of the so-called “Unified Translation" (Einheitsübersetzung) of the Bible into German. It’s called “unified” because, from the original published from 1962 onward, these editions are supposed to be used ecumenically, unifying Catholics and Protestants in Germany. The original aim, however, was thwarted in 2005 when Protestants reverted to the Luther translation.

The leader of the research project was the bishop (now emeritus) of Erfurt, Joachim Wanke, who explained that the new edition is a “moderate revision” of the older text. Wanke added that a translation is always also an interpretation. The new edition shows more “braveness” to present “biblical jargon,” he said, reported by kath.net.

According to Jewish tradition, the personal names of God cannot be pronounced, so “Yahweh” is substituted by “Lord” in the new edition. In fact, every paragraph has a change, explained Michael Theobald, president of the German Bible Association.

When the apostle Paul calls two new followers, they are not two men anymore, Andronicus and Junias; rather, a new discovery showed that apparently it was one man and one woman, hence Andronicus and Junia. This led to the discussion that the word “apostle” must be applied to women as well as men (Author’s note: In German, different genders of the word exist and usually gender-ideologists insist on using male and female forms).

Other changes are more ideological.

Most frightening is the change to the iconic Isaiah passage (7:14): “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son”.....

[imardmd1]

Why don't you bold the color so it becomes deeper and more readable. I have the same complaint as others who do not see as well.

Or choose another color to differentiate your emphases (brown here).

[imardmd1]

There are ungracious gospels, and the ones offered by false religions are others gospel of a different kind.

I just gave you a reference to a complete, detailed description of all the gospels that are in the Bible, so take a look at that before you ask me to invest work in a summary of my own, most likely to be rejected in your syllabus.

[Mark17]

I believe there is only ONE GOSPEL that matters. All those others you mentioned are fine, but the ONLY one that matters for the moment, is the gospel of grace, you know, the one that makes one born from above, the one that sends them to Heaven, the one that keeps them out of Hell.
After one has become born from above, and has their name written in the Lamb's Book of Life, ONCE AND FOR ALL, then they can concern themselves with all the other things you mentioned. 😇🙏

[MHGinTN]

Here is wisdom!

[MHGinTN]

Have you heard the Gospel of GOD's Grace in Christ Jesus yet? ...

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him, may not perish; but may have life everlasting.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world, to judge the world, but that the world may be saved by him. 18 He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

In that entire exchange between Jesus and Nicodemus in the third chapter of John's Gospel, do you see any reference to following rituals or sacraments, other than Jesus citing the analogous scene of the brass snake lifted up to be the focus of faith in order for GOD to heal?

Have you heard the Gospel of God's Grace in Christ Jesus for you yet?

[MHGinTN]

One caution to you regarding the DR Bible, the catholic bible adds 'again' in a crucial sentence when it is not there in the Greek. Jesus told Nicodemus that unless one is born of water AND the spirit ... and that was in direct response to Nicodemus trying to confuse the issues by citing someone entering again into his mother's womb and being 'born again'. Jesus took Nic's mistaken approach and went beyond the diversion, telling him that unless ONE is born of water and of the Spirit he cannot see the kingdom of Heaven.

[MHGinTN]

Young's Literal Translation of the Greek texy:

John 3:1 And there was a man of the Pharisees, Nicodemus his name, a ruler of the Jews, 2 this one came unto him by night, and said to him, ‘Rabbi, we have known that from God thou hast come — a teacher, for no one these signs is able to do that thou dost, if God may not be with him.’

3 Jesus answered and said to him, ‘Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God;’

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, ‘How is a man able to be born, being old? is he able into the womb of his mother a second time to enter, and to be born?’

5 Jesus answered, ‘Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the reign of God; 6 that which hath been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which hath been born of the Spirit is spirit.

[Mark17]

Here is wisdom!

You have to remember bro, I was led to the Lord, by those guys, what did they call themselves again? Oh yes, the Navigators. 😊 If there is one thing they did, it was to GROUND us in the word. They wanted to make sure we were not easily swayed by false doctrines, of which there are many out there. 😆 I did, of course read Dr Walter Martin's Kingdom of the Cults, but we studied the Bible, and left any cultic tendencies and beliefs we may have had before.
I found out there is no better way to rid myself of false religions, than to study the truth. Suppose? 🙏
By the way, I don't say where I attend church, or other things of that nature. I figure people don't have a top secret, crypto access security clearance, so they don't have the need to know. 🙉🙈

[MHGinTN]

Wonder if the vet has heard the Gospel of God’s Grace yet and will share it with us?

[Mark17]

Wonder if the vet has heard the Gospel of God’s Grace yet and will share it with us?

I think the gospel of Grace has been preached continuously on these threads. Whatever people do with this information, is on them. I suspect many are still behind the 🎱

[metmom]

What you call “light blue” is actually named “royalblue” in HTML and I use it for the scriptures out of respect. I’m scarcely aware that some people are color blind to some extent and don’t know which colors are difficult for them to distinguish.

Well, this isn't the first time you've been told that and now you have no excuse for continuing to do it and expecting someone who can't read it to read it.

To continue to post in that color and then criticize them or otherwise give them a hard time for not reading is just plain obnoxious and inconsiderate.

[imardmd1]

Got the book of Martin’s m’self. Pretty interesting, that.

[af_vet_1981]

There are ungracious gospels, and the ones offered by false religions are others gospel of a different kind. I just gave you a reference to a complete, detailed description of all the gospels that are in the Bible, so take a look at that before you ask me to invest work in a summary of my own, most likely to be rejected in your syllabus.

You posted a link to Fred Wittman's website. From that I assume you agree with his opinions.

Contrary to MHGinTN's testimony, Fred Wittman writes that some of the gospels mentioned in the New Testament are not the same as "The Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ" ie., the gospel of grace we discussed.

Four Gospels Other than The Gospel of The Lord Jesus Christ Are Found in The New Testament.
1. 1. Paul referred to the pre-gospel of faith pronounced to Abraham (Gal. 3:8).
2. John the Baptizer and The Lord Jesus Christ proclaimed the Gospel of the Kingdom (Mt. 3:1-3; 4:12,17).
3. In his Epistles to the Galatians and the Corinthians, Paul referred to another gospel of a different kind (Gal. 1:6-9; 2 Cor. 11:4,13-15).
4. John the beloved disciple recorded yet another future gospel to be proclaimed by an angel flying in midst of Heaven during the Great Tribulation just before the fall of Babylon having 0Eternal (Everlasting) Gospel (Rev. 14:6,7).

I dismiss the third out of hand, since it is obviously not a true gospel. However the other three are righteous and true gospels.

The remaining are:
1. the gospel preached to Abraham
   
   And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
   
   Galatians, Catholic chapter three, Protestant verse eight
   
   
2. the gospel of the kingdom
   
   And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
   
   
   And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd. Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few; Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.
   
   
   And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
   
   Matthew, Catholic chapter four, Protestant verse twenty three
   Matthew, Catholic chapter nine, Protestant verses thirty five to thirty eight
   Matthew, Catholic chapter twenty four, Protestant verse fourteen
   
   
3. the everlasting gospel
   
   
   
   And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
   
   Revelation, Catholic chapter fourteen, Protestant verse six

[MHGinTN]

Is Grace only some kind of poison to your mind? Can you state the Gospel of The Grace of God in Christ? If you don’t know what it is, I’ll leave you to figure it out, IF you can stop striving long enough ...

[af_vet_1981]

Can you state the Gospel of The Grace of God in Christ?

Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Galatians, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses three to five,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[MHGinTN]

Where are the sacraments? Doesn’t salvation require fidelity to the sacraments?

[Mark17]

Got the book of Martin’s m’self. Pretty interesting, that.

I spoke with Dr Martin by phone,several times, on his Bible answer man program, on KFIA, Sacramento. I was at Travis AFB at the time. ✈️🛩🛬🛫

[imardmd1]

I appreciate that you took the time to review this paper on the various gospels. Yes, I am not only in agreement with it, but Dr. Wittman has been my discipler for about 25 years.

While I do not always have exactly the same opinion as he does, his careful and detailed dissection of various key doctrines has helped me a great deal.

Again, I compliment you in at least giving the determined and diligent work of others a fair shake, even though you may not agree with the conclusions.

I am quite aware of your use of large portions of Scripture in the sense that you desire to help others to see a particular verse in a broader context of the narrative as originally inscripturated without verse divisions, so that some finer points of the general tone may be appreciated. However, I do believe your usual choice of the text color undermines the effect you desire to achieve. So does the tiny font size of the attribution, that brings a negative response from the reader.

You might find it useful to follow the style sheet of published articles in the periodicals of theological societies, which have proven to be a better way to communicate passages from a particular translation.

That's just a suggestion, but how you choose to present your thoughts is your privilege.

Moving on, in considering what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is, its description is contained in a guide to its transmission in a one-on-one situation:

"GOSPEL PRESENTATION HIGHLIGHTS from a Theocentric Approach" (click here)

This gives a useful plan for helping to progress in awakening the interest of a person seeking to know of the new life that is victorious over sinning and death.

Again, thank you for your patience. and thanks for making your "royalblue" passages readable!

[af_vet_1981]

Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate that we can hold different perspectives and still love the LORD Jesus Christ which we show by obedience to his commandments, especially the two greatest commandments.

And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Luke, Catholic chapger ten, Protestant verses twenty five to twenty eight,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[MHGinTN]

Thanks for taking the time to bold the royal blue. Reads nicely!