**“Tell me the verse I am misunderstanding. List it.”**
I guess the location of two of the favorite stories RCs use in their mediator tradition; Bathsheba’s request of Solomon (1Kings 2:13-25), and Mary’s request of Jesus (John 2:1-11), wasn’t familiar enough for you?
**and to the Saints.**
James 5:16 says ..pray ye one for another..”.
Anyone that has been born of the Spirit is a saint. But, there is no scripture to support praying to anyone that has died, except to the ONE that has risen, and has ALL power GIVEN unto him.
**What is “it’? I don’t know what you’re referring to since the antecedent would be “your organization”.**
Nice legal dodge. You surely knew that I was referring to the ‘mass’.
**So what’s your point? John 6, and the gospels clearly point to the Mass. Is Jesus saying it not enough suddenly?**
His disciples,..you know the ones that had their understanding opened, so that they would understand the scriptures, and were told the the Holy Ghost would lead and guide them into all truth, hardly mention the last supper in Acts (2:42). And that is where conversions are plentiful, and the details of conversions mentioned several times.
More on that later, as I’m really cutting into my bedtime.
I said: “The Father is not OF God, the Father IS God. John 4:23,24”
You said: **No one is saying the Father is OF God. Your problem is with understanding English.**
You also said: **Who is using “Father of God”? You’re literally making something up that no one is saying.**
Who is using the phrase ‘God the Son’?.....certainly not the Son of God or his apostles, as the scriptures give witness.
The challenge for you is to prove that the Son of God had/has any one divine attribute, that he did NOT receive from the Father that dwells in him continually.
I should be able to reply tomorrow eve, as I’m only driving local tomorrow. Peace.
“Bathsheba’s request of Solomon (1Kings 2:13-25), and Mary’s request of Jesus (John 2:1-11), wasn’t familiar enough for you?”
I don’t misunderstand either one of those verses. Again, I’ll ask you: “Tell me the verse I am misunderstanding. List it.”
Listing verses that YOU give a different secondary interpretation to than “RCs use in their mediator tradition” says nothing about what I supposedly “misunderstand”. All it says is that YOU understand them differently than others - and not just Catholics. It is ONLY Protestants - ONLY PROTESTANTS - among all Christians who do not have a secondary interpretation of those verses which allows for intercessory prayer so that means ONLY YOU misunderstand them.
“James 5:16 says ..pray ye one for another..”
Saints are “one...another: among Christians.
“Nice legal dodge. You surely knew that I was referring to the ‘mass’.”
Nope. You’re writing is as unclear as your ideas apparently. If you can’t write more clearly, it’s not my fault.
“His disciples...hardly mention the last supper in Acts (2:42). And that is where conversions are plentiful, and the details of conversions mentioned several times.”
What you’re posting is irrelevant. Read Acts 2:42 again - this time with understanding: “And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers.” THEY DEVOTED THEMSELVES...TO THE BREAKING OF BREAD. The Eucharist was hugely important to them - enough so that they DEVOTED THEMSELVES to it. You clearly misunderstand the verse.
“Who is using the phrase ‘God the Son’?.....certainly not the Son of God or his apostles, as the scriptures give witness.”
So your comeback to the fact that no one says “Father of God” is that no one in scripture says “God the Son”? Your comeback to someone pointing out that NO ONE EVER USED A PHRASE is to say that a particular phrase almost all Christians have used throughout history doesn’t literally appear in scripture? You don’t even see the problem with what you’re saying do you?
“The challenge for you is to prove that the Son of God had/has any one divine attribute, that he did NOT receive from the Father that dwells in him continually.”
No, that is not my challenge at all. Jesus is God. I have no reason (no challenge) to attribute to Him anything that His Father did not have other than His humanity. You seem to have a great deal of difficulty thinking.
“I should be able to reply tomorrow eve, as I’m only driving local tomorrow. Peace.”
Your reply won’t matter. Here’s what I predict will happen: 1) You’ll fail again to post a single verse that I have misunderstood all the while claiming I misunderstand verses. 2) If you keep writing as you do, you will not post clear thoughts or ideas. 3) You’ll keep denying reality - in a fishbowl. In other words, you’ll keep saying things like “[certain verses] wasn’t familiar enough for you?” when in reality only Protestants - and NOT ALL PROTESTANTS - like yourself misunderstand those verses to the exclusion of any secondary meaning.
Save yourself the trouble: https://www.amazon.com/Protestant-Pastor-Looks-Mary/dp/0879737271 I don’t mind fighting a battle online, but against the completely unarmed it just doesn’t seem worth the effort. Get something right for a change, or read a book and learn something that you never learned.
Oh, and Jesus is the Son of God. He is God the Son.
Oh, and I noticed that you completely “dodged” the fact that you were COMPLETELY WRONG on your “vladimir998 the Nebraska” argument. If you don’t know how English works, how are we going to debate using it?