“Bathsheba’s request of Solomon (1Kings 2:13-25), and Mary’s request of Jesus (John 2:1-11), wasn’t familiar enough for you?”
I don’t misunderstand either one of those verses. Again, I’ll ask you: “Tell me the verse I am misunderstanding. List it.”
Listing verses that YOU give a different secondary interpretation to than “RCs use in their mediator tradition” says nothing about what I supposedly “misunderstand”. All it says is that YOU understand them differently than others - and not just Catholics. It is ONLY Protestants - ONLY PROTESTANTS - among all Christians who do not have a secondary interpretation of those verses which allows for intercessory prayer so that means ONLY YOU misunderstand them.
“James 5:16 says ..pray ye one for another..”
Saints are “one...another: among Christians.
“Nice legal dodge. You surely knew that I was referring to the ‘mass’.”
Nope. You’re writing is as unclear as your ideas apparently. If you can’t write more clearly, it’s not my fault.
“His disciples...hardly mention the last supper in Acts (2:42). And that is where conversions are plentiful, and the details of conversions mentioned several times.”
What you’re posting is irrelevant. Read Acts 2:42 again - this time with understanding: “And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers.” THEY DEVOTED THEMSELVES...TO THE BREAKING OF BREAD. The Eucharist was hugely important to them - enough so that they DEVOTED THEMSELVES to it. You clearly misunderstand the verse.
“Who is using the phrase ‘God the Son’?.....certainly not the Son of God or his apostles, as the scriptures give witness.”
So your comeback to the fact that no one says “Father of God” is that no one in scripture says “God the Son”? Your comeback to someone pointing out that NO ONE EVER USED A PHRASE is to say that a particular phrase almost all Christians have used throughout history doesn’t literally appear in scripture? You don’t even see the problem with what you’re saying do you?
“The challenge for you is to prove that the Son of God had/has any one divine attribute, that he did NOT receive from the Father that dwells in him continually.”
No, that is not my challenge at all. Jesus is God. I have no reason (no challenge) to attribute to Him anything that His Father did not have other than His humanity. You seem to have a great deal of difficulty thinking.
“I should be able to reply tomorrow eve, as I’m only driving local tomorrow. Peace.”
Your reply won’t matter. Here’s what I predict will happen: 1) You’ll fail again to post a single verse that I have misunderstood all the while claiming I misunderstand verses. 2) If you keep writing as you do, you will not post clear thoughts or ideas. 3) You’ll keep denying reality - in a fishbowl. In other words, you’ll keep saying things like “[certain verses] wasn’t familiar enough for you?” when in reality only Protestants - and NOT ALL PROTESTANTS - like yourself misunderstand those verses to the exclusion of any secondary meaning.
Save yourself the trouble: https://www.amazon.com/Protestant-Pastor-Looks-Mary/dp/0879737271 I don’t mind fighting a battle online, but against the completely unarmed it just doesn’t seem worth the effort. Get something right for a change, or read a book and learn something that you never learned.
Oh, and Jesus is the Son of God. He is God the Son.
Oh, and I noticed that you completely “dodged” the fact that you were COMPLETELY WRONG on your “vladimir998 the Nebraska” argument. If you don’t know how English works, how are we going to debate using it?
The catholic church mind sees 'they devoted themselves to it' ONLY in the manufactured definition which serves the blasphemy of Catholic Mass. Yet Jesus told YOU to break the bread and sip the wine IN REMEMBRANCE of HIM until He returns. He did not tell them in the Upper Room that to obtain Eternal Life they must continue to do this Remembrance.
The Apostles continued to dedicate themselves to this REMEBRANCE because it not only showed His death and resurrection to their gatherings but it illustrated their dedication to His sacrifice to all who became aware of their dedication to Him. But your religion has turned that Rmembrance into a pagan ritual of consuming the godlet of your paganized Christianity look-a-like religion! The twisted mind of the catholiciism apologist is unable to see the internal contradictions in their defense of the Catholic Mass as a source to consume eternal GOD through their alimentary tract.
How many times will the apologist be asked, 'If you are consuming Jesus's body, blood, soul, and DIVINITY in Catholic Eucharist, is it only temporary in efficacy and must be renewed to assure you have GOD LIFE in you?'? That is a point of great confusion with your Catholicism-twisted mind.
And yes, that is a clear indication that you are massively confused regarding the remembrance JESUS established on the night before He went to the Cross. Your religion of catholiciism would have us believe that on the night before He made The Perfect Sacrifice, ONCE for ALL, Forever, He contradicted what HE as GOD gave as a command to not eat the blood for The Lifge of the creature is in the blood. Your paganized religion would have us believe that when He offered wine and bread, He 'transubstantiated' these into His flesh and blood, even as HE identified the liquid as WINE after He had given it to them to drink in REMEMBRANCE of His REAL blood to be shed for them on the Cross the next day. Yes, you are massively confused over the meaning of the Word of God. You have been taught this confusion, clearly.
In porftraying God as double-minded, like catholiciism, Catholicism blasphemes GOD as no more efficacious than a pagan godlet who must be eaten in the food sacrificed to that godlet by the faithful in order to renew the godlet's life in the adherents. And then catholiciism teaches the faithful to that paganism that they cannot obtain eternal life except through the institution of that religion!
Confused? Yeah, you are greatly confusaed, but your invincible haughtiness prevents the opening of your eyes and mind to the Truth which your master constantly twists in your mind in order to defend the blasphemies as he herds you to insult God serving his, satan's, lies.
**I don’t misunderstand either one of those verses...Christians who do not have a secondary interpretation of those verses which allows for intercessory prayer..**
Well, if you are using those passages (from 1Kings 2, and John 2) for your tradition of praying to those that have died (other than Jesus Christ), then you need to toss the interpretation thing, and just notice that nowhere in the scriptures is there a good example of praying to anyone that has died, except to Jesus Christ (who didn’t pray to anyone other than the Father, while he lived on this earth).
Saints are “one...another: among Christians.
James wasn’t writing to those that were asleep in Christ. The entirety of his letter shows that to be the case, since he was teaching the church about the struggles that they face in their walk, and how to overcome.
**Read Acts 2:42 again.....TO THE BREAKING OF BREAD...**
I saw that. Why do you think I referenced that verse? But if you are convinced that it is speaking of the body and blood of the Lord Jesus, where is the wine mentioned? More interpreting?
**So your comeback to the fact that no one says “Father of God” is that no one in scripture says “God the Son”?.......You don’t even see the problem with what you’re saying do you?**
So when I define God the way the scriptures define God, I’m not defining him correctly? Let God be true, and every man a liar.
**No, that is not my challenge at all. Jesus is God. I have no reason (no challenge) to attribute to Him anything that His Father did not have other than His humanity.**
That was carefully worded; with you basically saying that the Father and the Son have the same attributes (except for human flesh); while avoiding the fact the Son declared that he received all things from the Father.
And who gave the Son his humanity?.....
“Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me.” Heb. 10:5
**Oh, and I noticed that you completely “dodged” the fact that you were COMPLETELY WRONG on your “vladimir998 the Nebraska” argument.**
Let’s go back about 150 years. If you were born and raised in Nebraska, and came to know more about that state than any other man, this could be said about you:
Nebraska gave birth to you (it’s where you began).
Nebraska sustained you (it’s native plant and animal life fed you).
You learned all about Nebraska while dwelling in Nebraska.
So, you would indeed be “vladimir998 of Nebraska”; not “Nebraska the vladimir998”. Because the state of Nebraska is not a man, but a place that men have originated from.
God is not a man. God is a Spirit (John 4:23,24). But, God the Father dwells IN a man, and that man dwells in the Father (John 14:10). That is the testimony of Jesus Christ.
You can dwell in Nebraska,
and Nebraska can dwell in you: the life it has given you (sustenance), and all that it has taught you.