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Judging non-Catholics
OSV.com ^ | 08-17-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 08/20/2016 7:45:03 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: ealgeone

The Church allows, but does not require or speak infallibly about such apparitions. Many Catholics do believe in Fatima and the promises about the scapular, (which I believe was given in another apparition). Many are skeptical. Both are allowed.

PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT CATHOLICS ARE REQUIRED TO BELIEVE THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH AS TAUGHT BY SOME COUNCILS AND RATIFIED BY THE POPE. THEY ALSO HAVE TO BELIEVE IN TWO INFALLIBLE STATEMENTS BY THE POPE ABOUT MARY.


181 posted on 08/20/2016 7:38:56 PM PDT by amihow (l8)
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To: amihow
LOL! I love it. Catholics hang their hat on mary for seemingly everything but when confronted with this they retreat to the "it's not official" position.

If the apparition is the same Mary of the Bible and the one that catholics have written who knows how many books, prayers, songs about and named too many buildings after then what's the problem??

I think it's because the false promise contradicts Scripture.

Catholicism likes to have it both ways on mary. The "positive" stuff they believe and share with everyone....the false stuff like this they run from.

182 posted on 08/20/2016 7:51:07 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Even when I was a Catholic I thought it strange to make “prayers” a penance.


183 posted on 08/20/2016 7:51:20 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: ealgeone

Catholics MAY believe in some apparitions. Catholics must believe in certain taught dogmas about Mary.

Read about it in the Catechism.


184 posted on 08/20/2016 7:56:34 PM PDT by amihow (l8)
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To: amihow

So, if you do not believe these Marian dogmas, will you go to Hell? or just spend lots more time in the mythical place Catholiciism calls ‘purgatory’? Does your salvation depend upon fidelity to the catholic religion’s sacraments?


185 posted on 08/20/2016 7:59:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: ealgeone
LOL! I love it. Catholics hang their hat on mary for seemingly everything but when confronted with this they retreat to the "it's not official" position.

If the apparition is the same Mary of the Bible and the one that catholics have written who knows how many books, prayers, songs about and named too many buildings after then what's the problem??

I think it's because the false promise contradicts Scripture.

Catholicism likes to have it both ways on mary. The "positive" stuff they believe and share with everyone....the false stuff like this they run from.

As a converted Catholic, I don't buy into all the Mary "mumbo-jumbo" that a decent part of the laity have decided to latch on to -- I would suggest, to you, that while the Catholic Church (rightly so) points to Mary as being a model of our human faith, and trust in God's Will, that you don't confuse that the habits/rituals of the faithful have *anything* to do with Official Church teaching(s)...

186 posted on 08/20/2016 8:00:21 PM PDT by WrightWings (Remember, Remember, the Fifth of November...)
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To: WrightWings

Have you read the four Gospels? Did you miss the scene where Mary and the siblings of Jesus came calling to have a talk with Him aside from the crowds?


187 posted on 08/20/2016 8:06:46 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: metmom; amihow
Read Justin Martyr. He gives a description of the early Church services that are very much like today's Masses.

A grat book to read is "Four Witnesses" by Bennett.

Four Witnesses: The Early Church in Her Own Words

188 posted on 08/20/2016 8:08:32 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: WrightWings
A number of the popes believe in Fatima. JPII even attributes the apparition with saving him from an assassin's bullet. He even declared the Message of Fatima imposes an obligation of the church.

http://www.fatima.org/crusader/geof/V.asp

As I noted earlier....roman catholics like to have it both ways on "Mary".

None of it is supported by the Word though.

We do not avoid the hell-fire by wearing a piece of cloth.

Hell is avoided by having faith in Christ and Christ alone.

It is His death on the cross that keeps us out of the hell-fire.

He made the sacrifice. No one else.

189 posted on 08/20/2016 8:09:23 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: MHGinTN
Have you read the four Gospels? Did you miss the scene where Mary and the siblings of Jesus came calling to have a talk with Him aside from the crowds?

I'm sorry, did I post somewhere that Mary had Perpetual Virginity?

190 posted on 08/20/2016 8:10:59 PM PDT by WrightWings (Remember, Remember, the Fifth of November...)
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To: WrightWings; MHGinTN
I'm sorry, did I post somewhere that Mary had Perpetual Virginity?

You may not have but, boy have others!

191 posted on 08/20/2016 8:12:49 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Salvation; metmom
Are you are you not the one who most frequently issues a "reminder" that JR has said "Notice: The daily sport of posting Catholic bashing threads on FR stops today. Thanks."??? You seem to bring it up when someone either says something critical of Catholicism on a thread or who dares post a thread that is critical of Catholicism even indirectly. Yet, you continue to post threads that ARE directly against non-Catholic Christians (like this one) or praise others who do. This is double standard that I find amazing it hasn't dawned on you yet.
192 posted on 08/20/2016 8:13:51 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: MHGinTN

So, if you do not believe these Marian dogmas, will you go to Hell? or just spend lots more time in the mythical place Catholiciism calls ‘purgatory’? Does your salvation depend upon fidelity to the catholic religion’s sacraments?


1, Back to idea that started this thread. If one is sincerely searching and due to invincible ignorance disbelieves sure God will judge. If know true only a crazy person would deny it.

2. Purgatory is pre-figured in the Old Testament I believe. Hope some one reading this thread will help on that.

3. The Sacraments are dogma and yes Catholics must believe. Those who do not are free to leave the Church and should if they are sincere. Sacraments are strengtheners for living a Christian life. People who have been away from them and go back can testify to that fact.


193 posted on 08/20/2016 8:14:11 PM PDT by amihow (l8)
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To: boatbums

Please read the original article again. Monsignor Pope was very generous with non-Catholics, especially those who had a lack of knowledge.


194 posted on 08/20/2016 8:16:12 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Elsie

No


195 posted on 08/20/2016 8:17:48 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
As one who has posted threads on the marian apparitions...do you believe wearing the scapular saves you from the hell-fire?

Do you wear the scapular? If no...why not?

196 posted on 08/20/2016 8:18:20 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Salvation

Thanks. Hope others will pick up on this thread.


197 posted on 08/20/2016 8:21:30 PM PDT by amihow (l8)
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To: ealgeone

I’m allergic to wool so I wear the medal.


198 posted on 08/20/2016 8:21:52 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Resettozero; ealgeone; metmom

When I was first shown John 10:27-30 in the Bible, I knew almost immediately that, until then, all my life I was NOT hearing the truth about the gospel from being a cradle Catholic. One of the first things I did was get a Bible and start studying it. I also attended a Bible believing and teaching church and a teen Bible study group. I had a deep hunger to know God and the truth He has revealed. I went to Bible college because I wanted to learn God’s word for myself and not just swallow whatever others told me it said. God certainly rewarded me for diligently seeking Him - something He has promised to all those who search for Him with all their hearts.


199 posted on 08/20/2016 8:22:40 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Salvation

I appreciate your answer to the question.


200 posted on 08/20/2016 8:24:11 PM PDT by ealgeone
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