The Rapture – Indisputable Christian Heresy

Preachers Institute ^ | 04-10-2010 | Fr. Anthony M. Coniaris

[mdmathis6]

Just what I believe! Yeshua is come in the flesh! So we can agree on something! So other than differing issues over belief and practice...the spirit of Antichrist is not an issue here!(1 John 4)

[editor-surveyor]

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Do you believe this:

>> “Cursed be he that confirms not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen?” <<

So many post it without taking stock of what it declares about themselves if they confirm not all of the Torah.

Who can accept that curse? Yet if you confirm it not, that is where you stand.

One cannot believe in Messiach without making the same confirmation thereof that he did. That is exactly what John is saying in his first epistle.
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[editor-surveyor]

The Apostles kept saying it.

[Elsie]

All that is applicable under present circumstances.

So; you are NOT doing ALL that TORAH requires.

I see...

But WHO decides what is applicable?

[Elsie]

“Going up” to the temple is no longer possible, but the temple will be replaced by Yeshua when we return with him after the wedding feast.

Oh?

For what purpose?

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John 4:21
Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father...

[Elsie]

The Temple conditions are no longer applicable...

But it's going to be replaced.

HMMMmmm...

[Elsie]

Was your answer a YES or a NO?

[Elsie]

The Apostles kept saying it./I>

You keep typing this.

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “For what purpose?” <<

For all the nations of the Earth that will be “going up” to Jerusalem for his feasts.

Those that “go not up” will have their skies shut up.

Yeshua’s prophecy in John 4 was fulfilled.

His prophecies in the Revelation will also be fulfilled.
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[editor-surveyor]

My answer to what?

[editor-surveyor]

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I am doing all that Torah requires of me.

That is the effective operation of Yehova’s grace, to write his Torah on our hearts that we may find the righteousness he requires of us.

That is the “Garment” that was required to enter the feast in the parable.
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[Elsie]

I am doing all that Torah requires of me.

I want to be safe.

Will you please list all of the requirements for me?

I sure want to DO all the correct things.

[editor-surveyor]

How serpentine of you!

I’ll let you read for your self in Leviticus.

[Elsie]

I’ll let you read for your self in Leviticus.

Sorry; but YOU said that some were no longer valid.

I need the CORRECT list; if you please.

[editor-surveyor]

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Valid???

Temple requirements were always valid, but without a temple there is nothing with which to comply.

One cannot go to a temple that is not there.

But then this stuff is strictly for those that believe in Yeshua, so perhaps its not for you?
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[Elsie]

Temple requirements were always valid, but without a temple there is nothing with which to comply.

What is the EXCUSE for NOT having a temple NOW?

[StormPrepper]

And you’re not?

No, I'm not. I do ignore the wrong interpretations made by modern prophetless churches. Your interpretation does NOT equal God's words.

Being born of water represents the physical birth.

That's ridiculous. Born of the water represents baptism. Reborn through baptism by immersion and baptism by fire through the Holy Ghost.

Jesus Himself showed this, immersed in water to fulfill all righteousness. Because He had too, it's a commandment of God. Then the Holy Ghost came to Him.

Your words make no sense. You have to be born on the earth in order to get to heaven is what you're saying. Just no sense at all.

It's just insane the way you twist these things to prop up your house of cards. You have to find away around the requirement of baptism because that means there's a requirement on your part to gain salvation. You can't accept that because then all your theories go down the tubes... so in to the spin cycle it goes and out comes... "Being born of water represents the physical birth"....

If that's what if means, why would Jesus even bother saying it in the first place...???!!!

[StormPrepper]

You don't know the story of the thief bro. Matthew 27:44. Both initially mocked him. Later, one changed his mind.

He just happened to change his mind? Really? I also know how stories get told. And how people view events. No one goes from mocking to humble repentance in 1 second. I view this in the same light as the three accounts of Saul on the road to Damascus. Three different accounts of the same event, two are wrong, but it was just an observation someone was making.

In reality I doubt if they were both actually mocking Jesus because one thief stopped the other from doing it. It was just an observation from those near by. Pretty much a nit pick by those on this thread trying to prop up a weak argument.

[StormPrepper]

The Dispensation of Grace had not yet been fully (or even partially) instituted when the Thief on the Cross was granted his forgiveness.

The Lord has forgiven people of sin down through the ages long before this event on the promise of the coming atonement.

I'm not really sure what "The Dispensation of Grace" is, but the Lord can forgive at the time of choosing. If not neither Job nor Abraham could have been judged to be perfect in their life times.

Or forgiven the entire city of Nineveh. This was the whole idea behind the commandment of blood sacrifice, so people could gain forgiveness in their life times and not have to wait in death for the atonement of Christ to be complete.

[StormPrepper]

If someone violated one of the ten commandments, they will go to Hell? For instance, they do not observe the Sabbath (saturday or Sunday?). What if they Lied? I think the Christians I know avoid violating the commandments. When they do slip and all of us will, I thought Jesus forgives?

There are many more commandments than just the 10. The 10 were a subset of all the commandments of God. They had a specific function and were tailored for the Hebrews coming out of Egypt. God was starting them down a path back to Him after they had lived in idolatry for 400 years. In other words, He started them out with something simple that they could follow.

Jesus reinstated the full law.

Jesus does forgive if His criteria is met. The Lord has always required, first believe, then go and do.