Posted on 07/13/2016 3:51:52 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
I rarely write about American politics. Here in Israel, existential national threats prevent me from dwelling on Americas problems. In Israel, Arabs butcher our thirteen-year-old daughters in their bedrooms and gun down our brothers and fathers, and the impotent leadership responds in typical fashion with powerful speeches to comfort the bereaved. So naturally the demise of America cannot take up much of my time.
But that doesnt mean Im disinterested. I am concerned with Americas welfare. As a Jew with a sense of history, I appreciate the haven America provided us throughout the last few centuries, when most countries offered nothing but death and despair. And I feel the need to occasionally opine when I see criminal politicians in America destroying a moral country that treated Jews far better than any other country in history. Furthermore, short of a nation of gentiles following the 7 Laws of Noah (ideally), no nation in history has ever created a system of government so humane to her citizens. And shame on the Jew who forgets that.
Europe deserves her fate, since Europe is the worlds largest Jewish graveyard. They hated their loyal Jews. So let the Europeans live and die with their ever growing hordes of Islamic migrants. There is justice in that. America deserves better. And with the astounding revelation by the FBI that despite the overwhelming evidence of gross misconduct in handling her emails, Hillary Clinton will not be indicted for endangering national security, the message is clear. The land of the free is bleeding. Tyranny is knocking down the door.
Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump: Whats the Question?
The impending American elections are a portrait of insanity. When was the last time the nominated presidential candidate was the subject of a criminal investigation involving the FBI? How naked is the double standard when the Clintons get to skate from the most egregious of scandals for which the common man would be incarcerated for life? Lunacy aside, the ultimate battle will boil down to Donald Trump versus Hillary Clinton, as shameful as that is, since the latter deserves a ball and chain.
This is an easy choice, if not an ideal one, for anyone with a sense of decency. I dont know about you, but if I must choose between a nasty crippling cold and a flesh-eating virus, I choose the former 10 times out of 10. There are indeed degrees of bad, and my decision to choose the lesser bad in no way indicates my approval. Those simpletons who choose to equate a flawed Donald Trump with Hillary Clinton, and throw their hands in the air with their own version of what difference does it make? commit a grave error. Those who see Trump as the more odious candidate are deranged, and more than a few disgruntled RINOS are actually looking her way, as astounding as this seems. And those who dismiss, ignore, or lie about Hillarys crooked behavior and vicious nature betray themselves.
Trump is indeed flawed, and hardly an ideal candidate for the already un-principled Republican Party, but to equate him with Hillary Clinton is the height of insanity. Hillary is a malevolent personality who will destroy America. Open borders, amnesty for all illegals, the continued march of the death cult of liberalism. This can only mean one thing: the eventual death of the Republic. No country that murders the innocent in the womb, marries homosexuals, and releases murderers can survive very long. Hillary will continue Obamas ravaging of everything decent in America, and continue the downward spiral. There will be no recovery. America will be changed forever.
Hillary the Radical Leftist
Since her youth, Hillary was a liberal menace. As a young activist, Hillary Clinton assisted and aided Black Panthers on trial for torture and murder. Lets be clear: this racist terrorist organization from the late 1960s and 70s was responsible for the murder of police officers. While a new revitalized Black Panther Party and the Black Klan of the Black Lives Matter movement is sowing violence and racial hatred in Obamas America, we should remind ourselves that many years ago, Hillary was involved with the original incarnation of these thugs. Additionally, over the years, in her capacity as a lawyer, Hillary defended some of the most repugnant criminals who preyed upon the innocent, including a child rapist she knew to be guilty.
Hillary the Jew-Hater
Several years back, former Arkansas State troopers alleged that on several occasions Hillary called people f***ing Jew bastards. Not hard to imagine, since she has a reputation for being foul mouthed and she is notorious for losing her temper at the drop of a hat. And those who remember when Hillary kissed Suha Arafat, moments after the latter woman gave a public speech accusing Israel of poisoning Arab children, can surely believe the claims of Jew hatred. After all, blood libels are the domain of anti-Semites.
During Bill Clintons two terms, Hillary helped her husband twist Israels arm, even as Arab terror increased and Arafat openly encouraged Jihad against Israel. Hillary frequently invited Arab terrorist front groups to the White House for dinners and celebrations. And who can forget when the crafty Hillary took one thousand dollars from the American Muslim Council and fifty thousand dollars from the American Muslim Alliance during her Senate campaign in 2000? Both groups openly support terror against Israel and praised Hamas. She was forced to return the money when word got out, despite her attempt to hide the donation by writing down the American Museum Council on the donor report.
Some notable Hillary moments as Secretary of State include:
Raising money for Gaza- which went straight to Hamas.
Demanding that Israel open up the Gaza borders, despite Hamass continued smuggling of weapons into the country.
Calling Israels destruction of Arab homes built without permits unhelpful and not in keeping with the obligations entered into under the roadmap. (The Arabs consistent violation of the Oslo sham never bothers Jew haters.)
Relentless efforts to strengthen Fatah and create a Palestinian State.
And then we have the never-ending scandals of cover-ups, betrayals, and general dishonesty relating to her tenure as Secretary of State. The notorious Benghazi cover-up where her actions led to the murder of Americans. The more recent investigation into her personal server boggles the mind when one considers how much she endangered American security. And yet the recent FBI decision not to indict her despite mountains of evidence shows the degree of corruption rooted in Obamas Department of Justice and the FBI. And the financial scandals documented in the recent book Clinton Cash and upcoming movie prove that the Clintons are a veritable mafia.
Hillary is a clever chameleon, but at the core shes a vindictive, nasty, shrill, Jew-hating bigot, a peripatetic predator from Illinois, Arkansas, a carpetbagger Senator from NY, and Washington D.C. A racist liberal who exploits the easily exploited for political gain. A ruthless shark who will do anything to obtain power, flout the law with haughty disregard to retain it, and continue to wreak havoc on American society.
President Hillary Clinton would be the death rattle for the United States of America it does not deserve. It is a moral nation in a world of evil. And yet, the desire to keep her from obtaining the presidency is not enough, since an unfettered Hillary is a disgrace to every decent standard of justice. Just like Obama, Hillary deserves nothing less than a prison jumpsuit. This should be the ultimate goal: disgraced and incarcerated for life, at the very least. The Founding Fathers would surely have had another suggestion for justice. Political correctness be damned. If ever someone in high office deserved such a fate
My ultimate interest is for the survival of Israel, as a strong, independent, G-d-fearing nation based upon Torah principles. Yet every Jew who lived in America with a sense of hakarat hatov, should wish the best for a country that offered millions of Jews something no other nation in history gave them: a rare reprieve from death and government legislated anti-Semitism. Had the Founding Fathers been not made of such fine character, America could have easily replicated the European model of anti-Semitism. And this is not to ignore or minimize American anti-Semitism past and present. It existed and continues to exist. In government the State Department remains one of the most Jew hating branches. Yet the country as it was established allowed for the accommodation of Jews. This is not to present the notion that America should remain a homeland for Jews. History has taught the Jew that things can change, and that change will eventually happen. But we should be appreciative .
We Jews will survive. Israel will survive, because of the Divine promise. America may not. Righteous gentiles deserve to survive and thrive in America, if they stand up for whats right and face the G-dless threats in their midst. Americas leadership has set the country upon the path of Sodom and Gomorrah. America must choose the best of the worst, because the worst is a veritable virus. America must support Israel if it desires the Divine promise, rather than the curses of those who curse us.
A warning to sane Americans who want to see their country recover from eight years of Obamas destruction: Obama will leave America hemorrhaging on all fronts. A Clinton presidency will see America irrevocably changed, economically, socially, and militarily. Israel too will suffer, because Hillary hates Jews and Israel. The fact that she can always trot out the familiar cadre of Jewish faces to support her, even Orthodox ones with rabbinical ordination, does nothing to change this fact. (And Heaven Forbid if she is elected, it is very likely that the same Orthodox rabbi who accepted Obamas invite, will attend her swearing in ceremony at the National Church.) This is the age that we live in. Yet, Hillarys true legacy should alarm sensible Jews and gentiles, who appreciate that most of contemporary liberalisms basic tenets are anathema to decency.
Aleynu LShabeyach
A call to all American gentiles who have a cognizance of a Creator:
Americas descent into the cesspool of deviance, deprivations, and immorality will not be stifled by the continued worship of a pagan Man-G-d. Only The Almighty, the One True G-d will save a once great nation from destruction. Will Bible believers finally wake up and use their intellect to return to the true worship of G-d?
It is time for American gentiles to evolve and abandon higher paganism. G-d fearing gentiles need to embrace the 7 Laws of Noah as an ever-growing number of righteous gentiles world-wide have. This represents the only antidote for the rampant secularization which leads to societal depravities legislated by government, and the ironic growth and appeasement of savage Islam. By doing so, America will merit The Almightys blessings as promised to Abraham. If Americans fail to heed the call, the country will ultimately fall prey to the monotheistic murderers who worship a blood deity. Jesus will not save anyone.
Donald Trump is a necessary Band-Aid for the time being, since man does not rely on miracles. But recognize the import of this historical moment. Populism will not stop the bleeding nor will it make America great again, nor will Christian solutions. Three may be better than thirty, but true monotheism eludes most Americans, and this is anathema to G-ds Will. The true bible precludes the possibility of replacement. The Master of All remains the ultimate solution, for Jew and gentile alike.
To all gentiles, who may not want to hear this last point, I say these words with respect and concern for decent gentiles, and out of a sense of Jewish duty. As Jews we have a mandate to spread a message to the world, but its not to advocate for womans rights (abortion on demand) or act as shameless surrogates for liberal politicians. This is what happens when Judaism is turned on its head. We have a mission to bring the knowledge of G-d to the world. It started with the patriarch Abraham, who epitomized intelligent mans true quest for G-d.
In the meantime, Hillary Clinton looms like a monsoon on the horizon. Corruption personified. A cruel person with the blood of so many on her negligent, incompetent hands. May we see her downfall.
I have to admit that I never heard of this cult until now. From the outside looking in, it appears they have some issues in common with the Muzzies, but they appear to me, as just modern day Pharisees. Jesus called them a brood of vipers, Matt 23:33.
If keeping the law is supposed to "attain" eternal life (gee, where have we heard that before?) how closely do they need to keep the law? Are they required to be perfect, or can they make a mistake here and there? Do they require us to keep the law perfectly, or can we make mistakes, and still "attain" eternal life? According to James 2:10, my opinion is, that if a person keeps the ENTIRE law perfectly, but makes one, tiny little mistake, they are in deep kimchi.
Do you suppose a Matt 23:4 applies here?😇🎯🙊🙈🙉🇵🇭
Good question. I wonder if they, like just about EVERY other religion in the world, thinks if you are a "good person", you "try your best", live according to the dictates of your conscience, "be nice", etc., you'll make it? That does seem to totally miss the point that Almighty God says that it is our SIN which separates us from Him and that His justice requires atonement for that sin. That without the shedding of blood, there is no atonement for sin (Leviticus 17:11). If all that was required is we say, "sorry", and that's all that is needed, then Adam and Eve could have done that and we would still be living in the Garden of Eden eating strawberries. ;o)
Yeah...that was pretty disgusting. Perhaps that is the reason no one has dared post an OPEN thread on the RF discussing this sect?
Well, in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve, at least in the eyes of man, made just a small, rather innocuous little mistake, a small little bit of disobedience. It didn't matter much. It was no big thing. They only fell slightly off the cliff, but they were kind of still hanging on. They would recover.
In God's eyes, however, that one little, tiny, meaningless sin, was totally hideous to Him, and mankind fell completely off the cliff, all the way, infinitely past the bottom floor, with no hope of any kind of recovery whatsoever, for all eternity.
Whatever people may believe, or not believe about it, is irrelevant to God. He knows the truth, and has communicated that truth to us in the pages of both the Old and New Testaments. If people do not wish to accept that, then that's on them. They only thing they have to look forward to, is a certain fiery indignation, (lake of fire) the "wrath of God." Imagine that, the wrath of God, a concept so completely unfathomable, that no man can ever even begin to understand it. I have NO desire to experience that wrath, even though I deserve it. Make sense?
Would that be a *Yes* or a *No*?
All that wasted bandwidth didn’t answer the question.
“...Is this an accurate account of Noahide belief?””
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.
Yeah...
Sure...
So is Islam.
Well; that's come and gone.
Their own HISTORY shows they were quite capable of doing this all by themselves.
Over and over again!
Well; they didn't INTEND to get into trouble; besides; at this point in time; what difference does it make?
What I asked was specifically about the representation of who Jesus was. I did NOT ask if it represented Noahide beliefs in general.
What I asked in post 60 was this, in its entirety.
Whats even more interesting is who they claim Jesus to be.
About a quarter of the way down the page under the heading of Jesus Led Israel to Apostasy, is a description of who they claim Jesus to be.
People can check the link because I am not going to post what was said. Its too disgusting.
Therefore, I have to ask, is this who the Noahides on this forum think Jesus is? Is this an accurate account of Noahide belief?
Can you answer the question with a simple *Yes* or *No* this time. To start with.
If it's inaccurate, please give us the correct view of who Noahides think Jesus is.
And spare us the happy, happy, Mormon-like propaganda pieces.
Els meister, I just had a Eureka moment. Maybe Adam and Eve were the first ones to use the Hillary defense. Hillary just perfected it.
Spiritual people today, do not accept the Adam and Eve defense, anymore than we accept the Hillary defense. And, I don't accept this modern day Pharisaic cult either. It's a cult with a capital C.
According to the "new testament." You say the "new testament" is Divinely inspired and part of the Bible? I have a great and simple idea: prove it.
and even if you reject that, the fact is that the Christ of the Scripture which Christians are to look to was Jewish, and prioritized the welfare of the Hebrew people
Not according to chrstianity as it existed for 1600 to 1800 years.
as did His apostles, and those who most strongly esteem Scripture as the wholly inspired and accurate word of God are the strongest supporters of Israel, and conservative morality. All of which evidence is contrary to your charge.
First of all, no it isn't. If the "new testament" is an imposture, then it is an imposture, regardless of how pro-Israel some chrstians might be.
Second of all, what is there about the article that isn't "pro-G-d?" Judaism was around a thousand years before chrstianity and it was pretty darn pro-G-d.
Are you saying that Jewish apologetics should be disqualified from a conservative web forum? That's pretty ironic considering that chrstianity is the new idea and has the burden of defending itself.
What's the difference between Catholic apologetics and Jewish apologetics? Why is the former all right and the latter not? Catholics, after all, are the ones who go around promoting evolution and higher criticism.
If you're implying that Americans are supposed to subscribe to "the American religion," you are denying both monotheism and objective religious truth.
2)Your "one sin damns eternally, forcing G-d to create a loophole by incarnating and vicariously damning Himself" is a classic Protestant (especially Calvinist) argument against Catholicism. Unfortunately, Protestantism is not an authentic, historical version of chrstianity (being a converted Catholic I know you don't want to hear that, though I'm not really sticking up for Catholicism). For fifteen hundred years chrstians lived their lives doing extreme penances, praying, fasting, etc., in order to avoid hell. Why didn't they understand what the "new testament" actually said? Why did it take fifteen hundred years for someone to get it right?
I am not arguing for Catholicism but for Judaism. You need to stop imposing the Protestantism vs. Catholicism argument here because it has nothing to do with it. Unlike Catholicism, Judaism doesn't claim to be a "salvational" religion. It is a statutory religion. Catholicism is hypocritical because it made an antinomian argument against the Law of Moses and then turned around and dropped it when it developed its own "laws." Judaism has never made an antinomian argument against anything and is free of the hypocrisy of Catholicism.
Sincere Protestants see the Pharisees as the Catholic clergy of their day and J*sus as Martin Luther. I understand that. But that argument only holds water against Catholicism. I understand that when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail, but please . . . .
Would you be interested in hearing from the "book of mormon?"
Metmom, you know that I respect you. I hope you know that. But do you have the slightest idea of how fallacious your reasoning is?
In an argument such as this, there are two points: the antecedent and the consequent. Our argument is yes or no, given A, therefore B. A is the Hebrew Bible/"old testament" (specifically the Torah). B is the "new testament." A was already around. A was already known to be the Word of G-d. You and I both agree on A. B is new. B is an innovation. The burden is on the innovation to justify itself. Your claim that I am obligated to prove that the "new testament" isn't the fulfillment of the old is no different from the claim that the burden is on chrstians "prove" that the koran or the "book of mormon" aren't true. There is absolutely no difference. I'm sorry, but if all you can say is "prove that it isn't what it says it is," then you have shown the utter bankruptcy of your position. You are implying that every new claim of any kind must be accepted at face value unless proven otherwise!
There are many places, as you probably well know, where the writers of the NT and Jesus Himself, stated that certain events are/were fulfillment of OT prophecies.
As you know, there are many places in the koran where it claims to be the fulfillment of all the "old" and "new testament" prophecies. Wow. It says that about itself? I guess we all have to believe it then, unless we can prove otherwise! Because that's your argument for the "new testament."
I have yet to see a single argument for chrstianity that doesn't simply assume its truth from the outset . . . kinda like so many arguments for evolution.
ZC response: Yes I am. Although I hope you realize that they can be enforced from the local unit upward and do not necessarily require any kind of central imposition (though eventually they will be imposed by Mashiach HaMelekh). (Post #54).
That means, I take it, that if your preferred form of government prevailed, you would subscribe to the beheading of the avowed followers of Jesus of Nazareth for their testimony and for their effort in recruiting followers. That is so, is it not?
(Your answer will be "Yes" or "No"; a response of silence or fence-riding must, of course, to be taken as "Yes.")
IRP
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