Posted on 06/29/2016 4:03:52 PM PDT by NYer
Chapter 11 of the Acts of the Apostles says that Antioch was the city in which, for the first time, the disciples of Jesus were called “Christians.” Tradition has enthroned Peter as the founder of the Church of Antioch, following the narration of the very same Book of Acts, which tells not only of the arrival of Peter and Barnabas to the Turkish city, but also of their preaching.
Moreover, this very same tradition claims that it was in the Knisset Mar Semaan Kefa (“Grotto of St. Peter” in Aramaic) where Peter would celebrate the Eucharist for this community. That is to say, this little cave could be the first place of worship of the ancient Church of Antioch.
Located in one of the slopes of Mount Starius, the cave has a depth of just thirteen meters and a height of seven, from floor to ceiling. The oldest parts of the building we see today, built around the original, simple cave dug in the mountain, are from the 4th and 5th centuries, and include a series of mosaic floors and a few frescoes which have been preserved on the right side of the altar.
Centuries ago, a series of small aqueducts brought water (considered miraculous) from nearby springs into a small designated area where baptisms were celebrated, but a series of relatively recent earthquakes rendered these channels useless.
When the Crusaders took Antioch during the First Crusade in 1098, a facade was added to the cave, which was rebuilt eight centuries later, in 1863, by Capuchin friars, by order of Pope Pius IX.
Today, the cave is only used as a museum, but, with permission, some religious ceremonies are held, especially on Feb. 21, the day on which Antioch celebrates the feast of their patron, Saint Peter.
Today, the cave is only used as a museum, but, with permission, some religious ceremonies are held, especially on Feb. 21, the day which celebrates the region San Pedro as their patron.
Except those 7 CATHOLIC churches in Asia that John wrote about.
Why do you keep repeating this LIE?
Yes, there is one holy catholic apostolic evangelistic healing church from the Jewish apostles, prophets, evangelists, and doctors unto this day.
Thanks for your point:
>>the “scientific” reductionism that was in the air at the time. And it suffuses much of Protestantism to this day..
The more you reduce away the transcendent, in Sacraments and elsewhere, the more you have a philosophy instead of a religion.
Rick Warren and Joel Olsteen come to mind at the end of this spectrum.
Nonsense, as instead it is the testimony of Scripture which rejects the literalistic understanding of Catholicism, which requires Neoplatonic thought and Aristotelian metaphysics to justify, while:
Scripture abounds with metaphorical language, including regarding eating, with David even clearly saying that drinking water was the blood of those who obtained, it, and thus He poured it out unto the Lord, and would not drink it.
John itself characteristically uses metaphorical language in contrasting the physical with the spiritual, from the lamb of God (Jn. 1) to the temple of God (Jn. 2) to birth, (Jn. 3) to water, (Jn. 4) to a fountain of water, with spiritual life always being by believing the word, and all of which Jn. 6 is consistent with
The Lord explained therein that "As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me, (John 6:57) and what the Son "lived" by was every word of God, (It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. - Matthew 4:4) and thus doing the Father's will was His "meat," (Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.- John 4:34) and was not by physically consuming the Father. Thus the Lord explained that He would not be around physically, but that His words "are spirit, they are life." (Jn. 6:63)
The Lord's supper was nowhere preached as the means of of obtaining spiritual life, nor is it manifest as being the central supreme sacrament around which all else revolved, with the only description in the life of the NT church other than breaking of bread (Acts) and a "feast of charity," (Jude 1:12) being 1 Corinthians, which does not teach the Catholic Real Presence as being what they lacked discernment of. Nor is the Lord's supper anywhere manifest as a sacrifice for sin by the hands of a distinctive priesthood, which itself i utterly absent in the NT church.
No one ever obtained spiritual life by really physically eating anything. See post 55 and 73 and 117 here by the grace of God before you try to respond.
And for the Lord's supper becoming the Catholic corruption, see here by the grace of God.
The Lord's Supper: solemn symbolism or real flesh and blood?
(Note: allow scripts for pop up Bible verses
Nonsense! I don’t know your background, but your posts seem to exhibit all the earmarks and drawbacks of the autodidact, and it’s too hot here to try untangling them.
Hysteria is seldom persuasive — except maybe to “persuade” someone to sidle warily to the other side of the street!
I may expand on it later --when it's not near 90 at 11:00 a.m. But I do think it accounts for the strange pseudo-scientism tat infests many of their posts --makes an odd bedfellow with theology! -- and what someone has described as a binary quality in their posts -- everything always has to be "either/or" and never "both/and."
Meaning an excuse for lack of refutation, while others attempt to excuse the same by asserting I am reiterating the arguments of others.
Oh you mean like the tradition that led the Jews to Christ, but wait it was exactly tradition that made them not accept the Messiah.
Matthew 15:3 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
3 But he answering, said to them: Why do you also transgress the commandment of God for your tradition? For God said:
Example for you is your ccc #841, you and Muslims worship the same god. If you followed the Bible instead of tradition you would realize just how wrong that is, but keep on following that tradition and it will lead you straight to the same Hell as the Muslims will go.
Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
“The discussion is about the Real Presence *in Holy Eucharist*.”
If you have the “Real Presence” already in “YOU” there is no need to try and consume it “IT” is already there.
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
So you agree with my Scripture I posted, so please entertain me and tell me what your spiritual gift is and while your at it can you identify all the rest within your congregation?
OBTW the Church you are acknowledging isn’t the Church of Rome, but Scripture talks of your religion.
Revelation 2:18-29 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
18 And to the angel of the church of Thyatira write: These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like to a flame of fire, and his feet like to fine brass.
19 I know thy works, and thy faith, and thy charity, and thy ministry, and thy patience, and thy last works which are more than the former.
20 But I have against thee a few things: because thou sufferest the woman Jezabel, who calleth herself a prophetess, to teach, and to seduce my servants, to commit fornication, and to eat of things sacrificed to idols.
21 And I gave her a time that she might do penance, and she will not repent of her fornication.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed: and they that commit adultery with her shall be in very great tribulation, except they do penance from their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am he that searcheth the reins and hearts, and I will give to every one of you according to your works. But to you I say,
24 And to the rest who are at Thyatira: Whosoever have not this doctrine, and who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will not put upon you any other burthen.
25 Yet that, which you have, hold fast till I come.
26 And he that shall overcome, and keep my works unto the end, I will give him power over the nations.
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron, and as the vessel of a potter they shall be broken,
28 As I also have received of my Father: and I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.
>>>”Example for you is your ccc #841, you and Muslims worship the same god..”
http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/do-muslims-worship-the-same-god-catholics-do
>>>”If you have the “Real Presence” already in “YOU” there is no need ..
Again with the binary, and the minimalism of some Protestant traditions.
The Holy Eucharist *is* as Christ and His Apostles taught, whether you think you need it or wish it to be otherwise.
You can argue all you want about not worshiping the same god as the Muslims, but your church is building bridges to them and your pope is kissing their Koran and butts as quickly as he can. Keep following that changed and flawed tradition and you will live Revelation 2:18-29.
“The Holy Eucharist *is* as Christ and His Apostles taught, whether you think you need it or wish it to be otherwise.”
So they remembered to put it in the ccc, but forgot it when they wrote the Bible? Please you really don’t believe that do you? You know that your religion didn’t even make the doctrine of your Communion official until the COT, so don’t say it was from the beginning.
“Again with the binary, and the minimalism of some Protestant traditions.”
So I’m minimizing it by saying that the presence of God is within me 24/7?
“Protestant traditions.”
Obtw it’s NOT tradition it’s Scripture!
Galatians 2:20Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
20 And I live, now not I; but Christ liveth in me. And that I live now in the flesh: I live in the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and delivered himself for me.
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