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Pope Francis says most marriages today are ‘invalid’. This is a disaster for the Catholic Church
The Spectator ^ | June 17, 2016 | Damian Thompson

Posted on 06/16/2016 9:22:17 PM PDT by ebb tide

Pope Francis, spiritual leader of a billion people, has just informed them that ‘the great majority’ of sacramental marriages are invalid because couples don’t go into them with the right intentions. He was speaking at a press conference in Rome. Here’s the context, from the Catholic News Agency (my emphases):

‘I heard a bishop say some months ago that he met a boy that had finished his university studies, and said “I want to become a priest, but only for 10 years”. It’s the culture of the provisional. And this happens everywhere, also in priestly life, in religious life,’ he said.

‘It’s provisional, and because of this the great majority of our sacramental marriages are null. Because they say “yes, for the rest of my life!” but they don’t know what they are saying. Because they have a different culture. They say it, they have good will, but they don’t know.’

Uh? You can read the full report here but you won’t be much the wiser. The Pope, thinking aloud in the manner of some maverick parish priest after a couple of glasses of wine at dinner, has just told millions of his flock that they are not really married.

Did he mean to say that? What does he really think? What authority do his words carry?

And why should Catholics even have to ask these questions? Francis’s off-the-cuff ramblings on matters of extreme pastoral sensitivity are wreaking havoc in the Catholic Church, as I’ve written here.

Ross Douthat of the New York Times has just tweeted this response:

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I suspect that even the Pope’s most liberal admirers will have difficulty extricating him from this mess.


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To: SGNA

We wrestle not against flesh and blood.

If this has been going on for that long, there’s only one source for it.

(Ducking for cover - not from you)


181 posted on 06/19/2016 7:41:29 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: SGNA

Honestly, if the situation in the world is being set up for the end times, and I don’t know where you stand on that, then even if Trump is in office, we’re still in deep trouble.


182 posted on 06/19/2016 7:42:42 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide

There’s only one body of Christ and He is building it by adding members to it through the new birth, saved by faith.

Nowhere did Jesus ever given a denominational label to His body.

That’s claims made by men, each claiming to be the church He was talking about.

I don’t expect spiritual truths to make sense to you.


183 posted on 06/19/2016 7:45:22 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide; MHGinTN
So once again, you're reading outside the Bible. How convenient!

That's hysterical coming from someone who quotes the early church fathers.

184 posted on 06/19/2016 7:46:43 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Instead of "Mother of God" one could make the same point by saying "The-woman-who-links-God-to-the-human-race-through-the-Incarnation-which-took-place-via-her-motherhood." But "Mother of God" is shorter and simpler.

And *mother of Jesus* is more accurate and lines up with how the Holy Spirit inspired Scripture.

185 posted on 06/19/2016 7:48:36 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
It's definitely the Great Apostasy and the only option is for each soul to return to, or for the first time turn to Christ.

The political sphere is pretty useless there but it helps if they acknowledge the only solution as well.

Thought I would mention the political option in the previous post though just to make certain people's heads pop a bit more than usual ;-)

186 posted on 06/19/2016 7:54:38 PM PDT by SGNA
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To: SGNA

LOL ... rascal.


187 posted on 06/19/2016 7:56:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: metmom; SGNA
Thankfully, out citizenship is in Heaven...not in this world.
188 posted on 06/19/2016 8:07:31 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Widely considered by whom? Heretics?


189 posted on 06/19/2016 8:11:17 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

He’s right.Do you want me to donate to your site now or later runalong.


190 posted on 06/19/2016 8:12:40 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: fatima
Do you want me to donate to your site now or later runalong.

My site???

191 posted on 06/19/2016 8:15:29 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: fatima
He’s right.

So how about your own marriage? Is it valid and how would you know? Is your spouse having doubts now?

192 posted on 06/19/2016 8:29:20 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Widely considered by whom? Heretics?

Wow. What insight you bring.

193 posted on 06/19/2016 8:40:15 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

It’s “new” and its “American”. What more can I say?


194 posted on 06/19/2016 8:44:45 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
11Give us this day our supersubstantial bread. Matt 6:11 Douay-Rheims Bible

DR is the only translation to render the Greek this way.

The Greek for daily is ἐπιούσιον. It means for the morrow, necessary, sufficient.

Genesis 3:15

15I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel. DR

DR is the only translation to render Genesis 3:15 this way.

Bad tanslation....bad theology.

What more can I say?

195 posted on 06/19/2016 9:06:49 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom
Good morning, good metmom!

Uh. How about, can you say "SHE's the mother of my Lord"?

And after a suitable couple of seconds can you permit yourself to add, "And HE's God"?

196 posted on 06/20/2016 3:59:44 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Ever notice that anyone going slower than you is an idiot, but anyone going faster is a maniac?)
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To: MHGinTN

Socialists have only one goal in mind-to unite the world for takeover. It the same in banking, industry, government, and (unfortunately) the church through world-wide ecumenism. It’s power that is craved and they’ll do it at the expense of doctrinal integrity.

While some will tout the early church displayed tendency of socialist behavior (having all things in common), this is a poor misreading of the scriptures. When the people of Israel asked for a king to rule them, God, through Samuel, told them of all the calamities that would happen to the people by appointing rulers over them. The people wanted it anyway.

When we replace God as our King with an earthly ruler, then we will find ourselves subject to slavery.


197 posted on 06/20/2016 4:04:06 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: ebb tide
Pope Francis, spiritual leader of a billion people...

Less; of course; our own FR Catholics that would not follow this man ANYWHERE!

198 posted on 06/20/2016 4:44:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Aliska
How valid was the marriage at Cana, whoever the bride and groom were, and all couples since that time whose parents usually arranged the marriages?

And this is WHY Jesus was NOT married:

There were NONE that could pass Mary's requirements!


Oy Vey!!

If Jesus was a doctor; maybe; but he's The SON of GOD!!!


From ----->  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Jews#Jewish_mother
 
 
 
 
 "So you got a B? That could have been an A there." Hartman observes that the root of the stereotype is in the self-sacrifice of first-generation immigrants, unable to take full advantage of American education themselves, and the consequent transference of their aspirations, to success and social status, from themselves to their children. A Jewish mother obtains vicarious social status from the achievements of her children, where she is unable to achieve such status herself.[35][36]
 
 
 
 
 

The term "JAP" and the associated stereotype gained attention beginning in the 1970s with the publication of several non-fiction articles such as Barbara Meyer's Cosmopolitan article "Sex and the Jewish Girl" and the 1971 cover article in New York magazine by Julie Baumgold, "The Persistence of the Jewish Princess".[53] "JAP" jokes became prevalent in the late 1970s and early 1980s.[54][55] According to Riv-Ellen Prell, the JAP stereotype's rise to prominence in the 1970s resulted from pressures on the Jewish middle class to maintain a visibly affluent lifestyle as post-war affluence declined.[50][56] The concept was the butt of jokes and spoofed by many, including Jews.[57]

The stereotypical subject, as described in these sources, is over-indulged by her parents with attention and money, resulting in the princess having both unrealistic expectations and guilt, accompanied by skill in the manipulation of guilt in others, resulting in a deficient love life.[53] The stereotype has been described as "a sexually repressive, self-centered, materialistic and lazy female,"[58] who is "spoiled, overly-concerned with appearance, and indifferent to sex", the last being her most notable trait.[54][55]

 

 

 

 

199 posted on 06/20/2016 5:06:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Nothing the Pope says is evidence of anything except his own stupidity, and his hatred for the Catholic Church.

You seem to be; shall we say; a wee bit judgmental.

200 posted on 06/20/2016 5:08:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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