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To: knarf
you said:
“Theologically, Jesus means that the Father is the eternal source in the Trinity. All three persons of the Trinity are co-eternal, co-equal, and equally divine. But the Father is the Principium Deitatis (the Source in the Deity).”

” Hence, Jesus proceeds from the Father from all eternity. He is eternally begotten of the Father. In effect, Jesus is saying, “I delight that the Father is the eternal principle or source of my being, even though I have no origin in time.”

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I would take issue with that in that Jesus is subject to The Father, they are then not co-equal. Elohim is the greater of the three. He commands and They obey His will. Even when Christ didn't want to obey The Fathers will He did. Because of Nicea there have been many contortions of doctrines to try to make the definition of The Trinity as expressed by Nicea 325 fit with scripture but it still doesn't. Nearly all if not all the laborious definitions of the Trinity come after Nicea 325. Christ Himself never makes these contorted definitions. He made sure that even the simplest of peoples could understand what He was talking about. Christ is divine, He is eternal but He was begotten and has inherited what He now has. While we call Him eternal He Himself expresses it a little differently, calling Himself the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no beginning of eternal so that itself could be a subject of much conjecture.

67 posted on 05/25/2016 6:08:22 AM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig

“I would take issue with that in that Jesus is subject to The Father, they are then not co-equal. Elohim is the greater of the three. He commands and They obey His will. Even when Christ didn’t want to obey The Fathers will He did. Because of Nicea there have been many contortions of doctrines to try to make the definition of The Trinity as expressed by Nicea 325 fit with scripture but it still doesn’t. Nearly all if not all the laborious definitions of the Trinity come after Nicea 325. Christ Himself never makes these contorted definitions. He made sure that even the simplest of peoples could understand what He was talking about. Christ is divine, He is eternal but He was begotten and has inherited what He now has. While we call Him eternal He Himself expresses it a little differently, calling Himself the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no beginning of eternal so that itself could be a subject of much conjecture.”

I am trying to determine what group you belong to, Mormon, JW, Oneness-Pentecostal. So for the sake of discussion, what faith do you hold, it does not appear to me to be orthodox Christianity of any sort.

To summarize this succinctly, when the NT speaks of the Father being greater than the Son, this is referring to the Father being greater relative to Christ Human nature. The relational and natural ordering of Father, Son and Holy Spirit does not imply and ordering of priority, which is a subordination doctrine of the Trinity, rejected by the early Church in all the Creeds and Councils, etc.


78 posted on 05/25/2016 7:15:49 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: JAKraig
First ... I didn't say that, Pope did

Second ... you prove my statement in #5 to Salvation ... and more confusingly so

For as long as I was a Catholic (birth to 33) and a born again Christian (33 to present, 68) ... the Trinity has always been a mystery

Whoever simplifies describing it the best should be in the front desk.

But it's still a mystery

me. myself and I so decree it !

82 posted on 05/25/2016 7:56:33 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true)
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