Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 05-23-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[MHGinTN]

Yes. In fact the founder who dreamed up Mormonism taught the men of that religion could become gods. There is a famous couplet that you should get the poster to explain for you:

The Lorenzo Snow couplet essence: 'As We are now, God once was; as He is now, we can be.'

Blasphemy is strong with that cult.

[knarf]

First ... I didn't say that, Pope did

Second ... you prove my statement in #5 to Salvation ... and more confusingly so

For as long as I was a Catholic (birth to 33) and a born again Christian (33 to present, 68) ... the Trinity has always been a mystery

Whoever simplifies describing it the best should be in the front desk.

But it's still a mystery

me. myself and I so decree it !

[knarf]

#82

[Mark17]

Yes, it's a mystery bro. I don't do the Book of Mormon, any more than I do the Koran. They are both uninspired. 😀😆😄

[arthurus]

You should read a good Arabian produced English translation of the Koran for educational purposes. Then you KNOW the source of the demons pouring out of the ME and beyond and you know just what and why all their arguments and claims and that there is no such thing as a moderate moslem and why there is no such thing.

[Mark17]

I did see Korans in the prison that were left there for the inmates. I tried to read a little. I read about half a page and I couldn’t take the garbage anymore. I had studied the cults since the 70s, including Islam. I have known about the evils of Islam for many moons. I don’t trust ANY of them.

[JAKraig]

I am trying to determine what group you belong to, Mormon, JW, Oneness-Pentecostal. So for the sake of discussion, what faith do you hold, it does not appear to me to be orthodox Christianity of any sort. . . .

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I hold my own personal religious beliefs. I was for many years a part of the Methodist Church and they put up with my non-conformist beliefs and my refusal to repeat the Apostles Creed but did not excommunicate me for it. I’m afraid churches have left me. They have changed much in the last 70 years and I find particularly distasteful what happened in Nicea. This hierarchy that became the Roman Church took nearly 300 years to develop and was no way inspired by Christ in my opinion. The emphasis on having “learned” scholars rule the rest of The Church also has become distasteful. Some years ago when my father died and the Methodist minister asked me If I had any particular scriptural references I would like him to use, I did they were all references to a literal Resurrection. He wouldn’t use them because he said it would confuse people into believing their bodies would be raised from the dead instead of just their spirits. From that time on I was done with my Methodism.

I believe what I believe and don’t begrudge anybody else what they believe, I just don’t consider myself stupid and feel I can figure it out myself form The Holy Bible.

I have married a Mormon girl, perhaps she doesn’t believe all that I believe and vice versa but we get along.

[Elsie]

Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

Well; if you actually read the Book...

Philippians 2:7
"but emptied himself (ekenoosen), taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men." RSV

[Elsie]

Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

on the other end of the Book; we find, "...you will be like gods..."

[Elsie]

The doctrine of Joe says that God The Father and God, Christ The son are not of the same substance in that they do not share the same “body” if you will but are of the same substance like my father and I are of the same substance.

Good ol' Joe; got his teaching in really well this time.

[Elsie]

It’s because the “Trinity” is a non-biblical document that was in part coerced by an emperor and finally established by Government edict, jailing and murdering of dissadents, and the threat of capital punishment.

HAve you read the Pearl of Gret Price?

I hear that it is quite interesting...

[Elsie]

It’s because the “Trinity” is a non-biblical document that was in part coerced by an emperor and finally established by Government edict, jailing and murdering of dissadents, and the threat of capital punishment.

If there is ONE thing I can't stand; it's threats and punishment being doled old by someone in power!

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"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

[Elsie]

I simply don’t believe they are the same being.

Must be all them years of Mormon teaching surrounding you.

[JAKraig]

Hi Elsie,

I haven’t read that book, I thought we were talking about 3rd century Christianity not Mormons.

[Mr. K]

Even as a child I wondered what was all this “holy ghost” business...

[Elsie]

Your history is wrong, thus the rest of your statement is baseless.

He's learned from Joseph Smith; so...

[Elsie]

Spirit babies!!

[Elsie]

Do I have this correct?

Well...

Mormon scripture says...

The Doctrine and Covenants

 

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 

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 16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in ^amarriage; but are appointed angels in ^bheaven, which angels are ministering ^cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

 17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are ^aangels of God forever and ever.

 18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that ^acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man ^amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and ^beverlasting covenant, and it is ^csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of ^dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ^ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit ^fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s ^gBook of Life, that he shall commit no ^hmurder whereby to shed innocent ⁱblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their ^jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the ^kseeds forever and ever.

 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from ^aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be ^bgods, because they have ^call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my ^alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

 22For ^astrait is the gate, and narrow the ^bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the ^clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that ^awhere I am ye shall be also.

 24This is ^aeternal lives—to ^bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath ^csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

 25^aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the ^bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they ^creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.

[Elsie]

I don't do the Book of Mormon, any more than I do the Koran. They are both uninspired.

Well; Son; you DO need the Inspired Version then!

Straight from GOD! to replaced the error filled KJV that SLC still uses.

[Elsie]

I have married a Mormon girl, perhaps she doesn’t believe all that I believe and vice versa but we get along.

She couldn't snag a RM?