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Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 05-23-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 05/24/2016 6:49:46 AM PDT by Salvation

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Comment #701 Removed by Moderator

To: Thales Miletus; Religion Moderator
How much longer is ealgeone going to be allowed to harass Verga be for ealgeone is banned.

Verga's post 160 and his subsequent posts are contradictory. I'm trying to get to the heart of which position he's advocating. Has God always existed or did He come into existence?

Verga himself has asked me more than once to answer his questions to which I have. He did not like my answers and said slinging scripture was insufficient. I've even gone into additional detail for both his questions and some of yours. On one of your questions I even broke down John 1:1 by the Greek to provide additional insight to the answer....but you had additional questions.

I've asked him to clarify his position, which so far, he has not.

Verga identifies as catholic. I've asked if his #160 post is the catholic position as it is such a radical departure from what Christians and catholics understand regarding God and his existence to which no reply has been given.

You've asked me, and others, questions others more than once to which I have answered. However, you haven't always liked the answers. That's fine with me. You've been asked questions to which you haven't replied to.

You've suggested boatbums higher education was wasted or that possibly he went to an institution that was completely lacking in your post 640.

I believe you've also asked a line of questions in more than one post that asks how can the Father and Son be co-eternal as children are not older than their parents.

Verga in his 632 post said "If it weren't for double standards, the non-Catholics wouldn't have any at all."

You've accused me of being in error on the Greek (post 569) to which I've asked for you to show me where I was in error.

I can go on with other examples of posts between all of us that some may or may not consider harassment. It's part of the give and take on the RF.

The religion forum is a free discussion site. As the RM has noted it is not the place for those with thin skins.

If people don't won't the debate, set up a caucus thread or don't post controversial posts.

702 posted on 06/06/2016 8:21:00 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
In post 311, after I asked if you agreed with the Nicean Creed (either the original or the modified version), you wrote "As a general rule I do not subscribe to Creeds..." and I am persuaded Verga agrees with the Creeds. It seems to me you are arguing with Verga's attempts to rephrase a creed which you do not agree with anyway.

Do you affirm or deny the LORD Jesus is "God the Son" and that there is a Holy Trinity consisting of "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit ?"
703 posted on 06/06/2016 8:27:21 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: verga

Ping since I mentioned you


704 posted on 06/06/2016 8:28:43 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Thales Miletus; ealgeone; boatbums; MHGinTN; Elsie; verga
How much longer is ealgeone going to be allowed to harass Verga be for ealgeone is banned. How much longer until Metmom, elsie, boatbums, and MHGinTN are moderated and given some sort of warning about their behavior. The RM used to tell people to stop repeating themselves after 3-4 repetitions of the same question. The same quesstion has been repeated by ealgeone 10-12 times and then piled on by the rest.

Is that the reason that you, a self-proclamed agnostic, have been on these threads? To try to get people banned?

And don't worry. I won't ask again.....

705 posted on 06/06/2016 8:33:12 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: daniel1212

Excellent work, dan.

The whole passage there in Matthew also deals with disputes among believers. It is not in context of establishing a church government.

The only indication that God gives us about church governance is that there are elders and a pastor for the local congregation.

There’s no indication of one, allegedly unified, corporate body of believers to which one must profess allegiance in order to be saved.


706 posted on 06/06/2016 8:44:05 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: goodwithagun
I thought we were done with these threads. Sad.

Talk to the poster about not posting them any more then, if they are too controversial for you.

I like Msgr Pope's stuff. I don't agree with everything he states but mostly he's right on.

For the record, I don't know that I have met anyone with whom I agree 100% but since that's not a requirement for salvation, it falls into the disputable matters category (Romans 14).

707 posted on 06/06/2016 8:48:17 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Boogieman

Thank you for iterating the Truth/reality. Perhaps coming from someone other than the ones the poster wants to have banned it will sink in.


708 posted on 06/06/2016 9:41:18 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: Thales Miletus; All

Discuss the issues, stop making the thread about individual posters.

The “to” field includes “all” so this admonition applies to all posters.

It is the practice of the Religion Moderator to not join in debates, so address your opinions to other posters, not the RM.

Again, everyone stick with the issues pertaining to religion and stop complaining about other posters, calling for their banning, etc.

I will review this thread as soon as possible and some posts may be removed.


709 posted on 06/06/2016 9:41:41 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: metmom

Thanks for saying what I was thinking. No “church” is perfect and with the leader they have today, it shows it is not perfect. Do you know where that is in the Bible because I do not remember it? Thanks.


710 posted on 06/06/2016 10:55:27 AM PDT by MamaB (Heb. 13:2)
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To: MamaB

I never saw it anywhere.

It certainly wasn’t in the book of Acts. There was considerable debate there, the Council at Jerusalem shows that.

Paul went his way after sharp debate with Barnabas over John Mark.

The NT is replete with warnings about watching out for error creeping into the church and the seven churches in Revelation that Jesus addressed show that no church is above error. Matter of fact, the epistles were written to correct error. Galatians and Corinthians especially come to mind.


711 posted on 06/06/2016 11:20:02 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
Is there a computer some where? Some kind of entity called Catholicism, which is sentient and makes those decisions without human involvement?

Yeah...I think it's called "The Beast". ;o)

713 posted on 06/06/2016 2:37:02 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: goodwithagun; metmom
MM's post is not passive aggressive. The point is well made. If someone posts something without the caucus designation it's open to discussion.

When people advance a post that is counter to Christianity there's a good chance someone may comment on it.

If you don't like the conversation don't participate. This is FR after all and not some liberal site where free speech is shuttered.

If you think these posts are upsetting you must not have seen the Trump/Cruz discussions. Those were brutal.

714 posted on 06/06/2016 2:45:33 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: goodwithagun
I thought we were done with these threads. Sad.

Where've ya been? What is "sad" about this thread? If you had bothered to read through it you would see AGREEMENT with the OP about the Trinity and the Deity of Jesus Christ. What has been disagreed with are those who imagine God had a beginning and/or that Jesus is not co-eternal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Why wait nearly 700 posts later to join the discussion?

You're only crying wolf this time. Careful...we know what happens in that story.

715 posted on 06/06/2016 2:57:04 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: goodwithagun
I thought we were done with these threads.

WE?


716 posted on 06/06/2016 4:23:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Thales Miletus; verga; metmom
How much longer is ealgeone going to be allowed to harass Verga be for ealgeone is banned.

I'll betcha verga is tough enough to take harassment.

After all; he can dish it out pretty well; Right Mom?

717 posted on 06/06/2016 4:25:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Thales Miletus; verga; metmom
None of them are created.

Mighty bold and assertive statement for a meta; what was it... agnostic?

720 posted on 06/06/2016 4:27:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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