Posted on 05/23/2016 4:25:24 PM PDT by Frank Broom
This article is to those that might be going through a physical affliction and wondering if it is God's will for you to be healed. I just want to encourage you that it is God's will that you receive your healing. Let me make these points to help convince you of that because I want you convinced so that nobody can talk you out of it. First, In Matthew 15:26 Jesus said healing is the children's bread. What is bread, it is your right. Every child has a right to be fed. In fact, it a father's obligation to feed his children. And Jesus said it(healing) is the children's bread. Second, God the Father is the most loving father and in Luke 11:11-13 the point Jesus is making is that if you being evil know how to do good for your children how much more God. James 1:17 says, every good gift comes from God. And Act 10:38 says, God anointed Jesus with the Holy Ghost and power and with the Holy Ghost and power Jesus went about doing good healing all that were oppressed of the devil. So, healing is a good gift from God. I want to make this point because there are those that say these bodies are just dust and they don't matter to God. But, yet we see God anointing Jesus to heal these dust bodies and he did not turn anyone away. Now, what natural parent if they had a child out playing and the child fell and was bleeding badly tell them, "Now baby don't worry about it your body is just dust." NO, a good parent would pick that child up rush them in the house, nurse their wounds, put a bandage on them, dry there tears, and do everything in their ability to make it better. Well, how much more God. Third, Hebrews 1:3 says, Jesus is the express image of God and Jesus said he only did what he saw the Father do so everytime Jesus healed it was the Father's will and not one time did he turn anyone away. Not one time did he say, "God is using this to teach you something." Not one time did he say, "I'm sorry, but it's not God's will. You know all those religious ideas people come up with. Not one time did he say no and God does not change Malachi 3:6.
Fourth, God anointed Jesus to heal. Jesus told his disciples to heal. Jesus told believers to heal. So, healing must be one of God's top priorities. Fifth, Jesus was lashed and cut open for your healing Isaiah 53:4,5. He was beaten so badly he didn't even look like himself Isaiah 52:14. Now, how can anyone say that healing is not important to God. Sixth, God has an assignment for all of our lives and without these bodies we can't fulfill them. Seven, Some say that it's more important to be saved than healed. And I agree totally, but God provided for both 1Peter 2:24. If He provided it then He must wants us to have it. Eighth, Jesus said many are sick and sleep(dead) because they don't discern the Lord's body, that it was broken for your healing 1Corinthians 11:24,29,30. People recognize that what Jesus did brought salvation, but they don't realize that what he did brought healing so they don't receive it. Ninth, Everything about Jesus speaks of healing. The lamb in Exodus 12 is a picture of Jesus and notice as a result of eating the lamb everyone was healed Psalm 105:37 (make a note of that from point 8). In Numbers 16 the atonement Aaron made for the people represents what Jesus did for you and I. And in Numbers 21 that serpent on the pole represents Jesus on the cross taking our sins. Notice, in every case it brought HEALING. Tenth, In Acts 5 and 19 God used handkercheifs and even a man's shadow to heal people. Look at God. So, do not let people minimize God's desire for you to receive your healing. And do not let them trivialize what Jesus went through for you to be healed. So, if you are believing then keep believing. God Bless!!!!
“but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.
(Romans 5:1-5 ESV)
Hmmm. Odd that we should suffer AT ALL, yet here Paul is describing what we obtain through God’s grace as we REJOICE IN OUR SUFFERING. Strange....”
The rejoicing here is in the expectation of the victory over the suffering, not the actual suffering per say. The term “hope” in this passage “Strongs; Greek - Elipis (to anticipate, usually with pleasure); expectation (abstract or concrete) or confidence: - faith, hope.” is a believing, a confidence and positive expectation of good, that God through his love for us has us covered.
John 16:33 -
“These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”
Point being that we often do suffer. It’s often in God’s plan, and the Prosperity Gospel is a false gospel.
Hoss
True; but it won’t help them much when it really matters. :D
Hoss
Hey Mark!
To God be the glory!!
:D
Hoss
It is indeed sir. It makes me wonder what else they might have wrong? How about the plan of salvation?
“Point being that we often do suffer. It’s often in God’s plan”
Those who practice evil have free will which God allows, but God does not cause suffering.
“God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone” (James 1:13)”
“God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all” (1 John 1:5).
“God is not the author of confusion” (1 Corinthians 14:33)
Those who practice evil are reprobate; God hates evil.
Matthew 10:16-23
16 “Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. 17 Beware of men, for they will deliver you over to courts and flog you in their synagogues, 18 and you will be dragged before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them and the Gentiles. 19 When they deliver you over, do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say, for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour. 20 For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. 21 Brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death, 22 and you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
Doesn't sound too "Healthy and Wealthy" to me...
And....later in vv 29-31:
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny?[h] And not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father. 30 But even the hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 Fear not, therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows.
So... Is God sovereign? I didn't say or claim that God is tempted or tempts anyone, and neither did I say or claim that God is the author of confusion, so put those straw men away.
Our suffering is in God's plan for us... If it isn't, then God is not sovereign AND he is a liar; do you want to stick by your claim?
Hoss
God: I wish above all things that you prosper and be in health even as your soul prospers. 3 John 2. For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that through his poverty you might become rich. 2 Cor 8:9. He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Rom 8:32. Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knows that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Matt 6:31-33. But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. Phil 4:19. Him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us Eph 3:20.
HossB86: Answering and denying scripture with non-sequiturs like the author of the biblical passage, suffering, and denial of self. In so many words...Nah
Jesus to the Pharisees, who, like HossB86 and today's Pharisees, withstood Jesus when he healed and delivered people but also fed the 5000 and 4000 with two loaves and a few fish: You “make the word of God of none effect through your tradition” Mark 7:13. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for you neither go in yourselves, neither suffer you them that are entering to go in. Matt 23:13.
“Doesn’t sound too “Healthy and Wealthy” to me... “
“Our suffering is in God’s plan for us...”
John 10:10 -
“The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.”
The suffering in the passages you posted was certainty in God’s foreknowledge, but it’s not his will or design for us. Satan is the cause of death and destruction.
3 John 2 is a greeting written in a letter. Probably one of the most misused verses by the blab it and grab it crowd. The "ministers" that peddle this pap are going to be held to account for their false gospel. And it won't go well for them.
The riches referred to here are the riches of salvation and our heavenly reward. Does not God also say:
Matthew 6:19-21: " 19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 “But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; 21 for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."
Hmmmm....
Colossians 3:1-2:
"3 If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth."
Proverbs 22:1-2: "22 A good name is to be chosen rather than great riches, and favor is better than silver or gold.
2 The rich and the poor meet together; the Lord is the maker of them all.'
Our faith, given to us from above by grace, saves us. Our riches are not of this world; our rewards are heavenly. To think that twisting scripture to "teach" that all we have to do is ask for what we want and expect God to act like a miraculous butler is offensive. God knows what we need before we ask it of him; we are to ask, certainly -- but we are to ask according to his will.
It's funny...you like to call me a modern day Pharisee. And if it gives you jollies to do that, then have at it. But I sincerely pray that The Lord will open your eyes to the truth and your heart to his son Christ Jesus. If you're worrying more about what you have "down here," you're truly not set to go "up there."
Hoss
Is God sovereign, or is he not?
Hoss
Life...finite or eternal? Christ didn't have to come here to give us a better temporal life; he DID have to come here to die for us on the cross so that our more abundant life would be everlasting and with him in glory.
Context and exegesis are our friends.
Hoss
Already answered that question but we'll do it again.
Many miss the will of God in their lives. There's a difference between God's will for us and a guaranteed result. Your confusion about that does not negate God's word that it is his desire for your prosperity and health. God's word is not negated by HossB86 and what he doesn't understand.
There's also a difference between God supplying all you need according to his riches in glory and setting your heart on those riches.
You are the great deflector. But you fit the profile of the Pharisees who Jesus rebuked for making the word of God of no effect by man's tradition and reasoning.
God's word: I wish above all things that you prosper and be in health even as your soul prospers. 3 John 2.
HossB86: Nope
If your refuse to take "all things" from He who spared not his own Son, that is one thing. But God will hold those accountable for preventing others from receiving all the God has for them and it won't go well with them.
Actually, you didn't; that's why I'm asking again. And again, you fail to answer it.
If God wishes us to prosper, do you not believe he would make us ALL prosperous? And curiously, though you may say many "miss" God's will in their lives, it doesn't mean that God's will is not being done.
3 John 2... Again is a written greeting in a letter. Again, misused and twisted by blab it and grab it preachers. Nice try (again) but still wrong.
You're right: God supplies us with what we NEED according to his will; but we are to be focused on heavenly riches, not earthly ones. But wait... God already said that.
What is going to be held accountable is the false gospel being taught that spreads the lie that all you have to do is be "more faithful" and God will give you money and cars and health and whatever other "stuff" we ask. That is a lie. And a vile one. Christ himself told us that we would be persecuted for his sake. We are here for a time in order to do God's will, not to accumulate stuff.
I hope and trust and pray that The Loe]rd opens your heart to his truth.
Hoss
The Word of God: I wish above all things that you prosper and be in health even as your soul prospers. 3 John 2.
The word of Hoss: Nope, just a greeting.
The word of Jesus to such Pharisee naysayers who change the word of God: You “make the word of God of none effect through your tradition” Mark 7:13. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for you neither go in yourselves, neither suffer you them that are entering to go in. Matt 23:13.
This subject of this thread is actually about healing, which God's word and Jesus' actions clearly prescribe and which Hoss also denies.
Hoss, your argument isn't with me, but with God and his word. We're basically playing ring around the rosy at this point with me giving scripture that you using man's reasoning and tradition of unbelief deny. I'll leave it between you and God.
Good luck.
Well, aside from being wrong, you're projecting. God's word is inerrant, infallible and inspired; I've never claimed anything to the contrary. God inspired men to write the letters and scriptures that is The Bible. Part of that process is called grammar. When John wrote the letter you love to misinterpret, he wrote the letter as those who in that day wrote letters: he opened with a greeting to the audience of the letter. Now, the problem here is that you or those who subscribe to the falsehood of the Prosperity Gospel take that greeting and make it into something it's not.
My argument is not with God; my argument is with the false prosperity gospels and its purveyors. If you are one of those believers in that false gospel, then my argument is with you.
Hoss
You discount God's word, I wish above all things that you prosper and be in health even as your soul prospers (3 John 2) calling it a "greeting" rather than doctrine even though the Bible says ALL Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit for doctrine (2 Timothy 3:16). You make your own reasoning doctrine instead. I would call that false doctrine.
You demonstrate confusion and a lack of understanding about the difference between God's will for us and a guaranteed result.
You also demonstrate confusion and a lack of understanding about the difference between God supplying all our need according to his riches in glory, making us rich, abundantly above all we could ask or think, not withholding anything from us after He has given us His own Son versus setting your heart on those riches.
No, your issue is with God not me.
Good bye and good luck.
Whatever. Since you’ve resorted to repeating inanities, I’m done.
Take care.
Hoss
Hoss, you have decided that The Apostle John in an entirely inspired letter gives an uninspired “greeting”?
"Greeting 1 The elder to the beloved Gaius, whom I love in truth.
2 Beloved, I pray that all may go well with you and that you may be in good health, as it goes well with your soul. 3 For I rejoiced greatly when the brothers[a] came and testified to your truth, as indeed you are walking in the truth. 4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children are walking in the truth.
Funny... just one book previous -- 2 John:
"Greeting 1 The elder to the elect lady and her children, whom I love in truth, and not only I, but also all who know the truth, 2 because of the truth that abides in us and will be with us forever:
3 Grace, mercy, and peace will be with us, from God the Father and from Jesus Christ the Father's Son, in truth and love.
Sounds Now let's look at Ephesians... oh, look -- there's a greeting:
"1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful[a] in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
Sounds kinda similar. How about this one?:
Philippians
"1 Paul and Timothy, servants[a] of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are at Philippi, with the overseers and deacons:
2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
Again... sounds like the same type of greeting John gave....
And, when Paul wrote the Galatians:
"1 Paul, an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— 2 and all the brothers who are with me,
3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave himself for our sins to deliver us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen."
Amazing... writers of letters, writing letters to people and churches, offering a greeting.
It's all inspired and inerrant -- but those who would profess to follow the Prosperity Gospel would do well to listen to the rest of the first part of Paul's letter to the Galatians as shown below:
"6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant[b] of Christ."
Take care.
Hoss
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