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1 posted on 05/12/2016 5:42:08 AM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 05/12/2016 5:51:28 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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No


3 posted on 05/12/2016 5:52:20 AM PDT by sneakers
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Excellent idea. Women following the example of Phoebe and Dorcas, de facto deaconesses of the early church, would be a great addition to the permanent diaconate. In reality, if not clerical title, many women already fill that role.


4 posted on 05/12/2016 5:55:41 AM PDT by Ol' Sox
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We know the playbook. It's called incrementalism. One doesn't make the revolutionary transition from male-only priests to female "priests" in one giant step.

First we must become accustomed to the sight of women swarming all over the sanctuary as "extraordinary" Eucharistic ministers. Then comes altar girls. Then comes female deacons......

Every giant step is divisible into 39 smaller steps.

The schism.....when it comes......will be a huge relief.

6 posted on 05/12/2016 6:03:43 AM PDT by marshmallow
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The camel’s nose under the tent.

This will lead to openly ordained homosexuals and all kinds of perversions as it has with other churches with female leaders/priests/preachers/rabbis.

I know I am a bigot, but the evidence is overwhelming. Females think too often emotionally. Like a mother who loves her child without exception (which is a good thing) they tend to see gays as wayward children, and then wind up accepting their unceasing sin as morally OK.

Some one has to lead, even if it means using tough love and forcing sinners to confront—not accept—their sins.


7 posted on 05/12/2016 6:05:08 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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The camel’s nose has been under the tent for awhile now. Alter girls, women giving the readings (not the Gospel), women routinely giving out Communion, the efforts made to suppress criticism of women who kill their children in the womb, etc..

Anyone paying attention could have seen this coming.


8 posted on 05/12/2016 6:08:06 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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Francis will ordain the first official woman priests if hie lives another couple of years.


9 posted on 05/12/2016 6:13:39 AM PDT by arthurus (Het is waar. Tutti i liberali soli o feccia.)
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Better idea: Suppress the diaconate again.


10 posted on 05/12/2016 6:14:19 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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It’s Bergoglio’s Flap-of-the-Month Club. “Look at me! Look at me. Look at meeeee!”


11 posted on 05/12/2016 6:19:06 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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Gonna need more bathrooms


12 posted on 05/12/2016 6:30:06 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory ((ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government))
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The consistent teaching of the church for centuries is that Holy Orders is open only to males. If the pope is going to change any of that, he should open the priesthood to married men.
If he opens it to women, half of those who apply will be lezzies.


13 posted on 05/12/2016 6:33:59 AM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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Women do not want to become nuns anymore. What makes the Pontiff think they would like to become Deacons?


14 posted on 05/12/2016 6:42:50 AM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on behalf of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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Or he could cut to the chase and establish the “Office of Gender-Fluid Clergy”, an all-encompassing category.


15 posted on 05/12/2016 6:50:00 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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Won’t happen.


18 posted on 05/12/2016 7:03:47 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The ancient deaconess was not the same as the ordained deacon. The office of deaconess was not sacramental like that of deacon. Her role was to assist in the baptism of women for the sake of modesty. Deaconesses never performed the role of the deacon at the Mass. The office of deacon, on the other hand, grew out of the office of presbyter (priest) and is part of sacrament of Holy Orders. This was instituted by Jesus Christ and was restricted by him to men.

All of this is known by any trained theologian. The attempt to reinstitute the office of deaconess is a dishonest attempt to blur the distinction between deacon and deaconess and as a prelude to the ordination of women as priests.

God created man as male and female and gave each their own proper characters and roles. To recognize and honor the differences between the roles of men and women is not a case of unjust discrimination. The modern denial of the reality of the proper distinctions between men and women is a revolt against God’s order of creation and should have no place with believing Christians.


20 posted on 05/12/2016 7:19:16 AM PDT by Petrosius
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Isn’t this the same religion that thinks enforced celibacy was such a brilliant idea? What kind of demented doublethink do you have to engage in to have that and this belief simultaneously?


22 posted on 05/12/2016 7:26:11 AM PDT by Laser_Ray (Another nifty idea)
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Why study this? It was done already in 2002.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_pro_05072004_diaconate_en.html

The only answer they will reach is No.


31 posted on 05/12/2016 9:02:54 AM PDT by Bayard
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Saying he is “open” to having a commission study the question to “clarify” it is different than saying he wants to study “the possibility” of ordaining women deacons. In other words it can be said he’s saying a clearer definition (or explaination) of the current ban would be useful. Not that the “possibility” should ever be considered. Note the word “possibility” isn’t a quote from him the word “clarify” (in relation to the question) is his quote.

Now he could have (and it’s certainly reasonable to say he should have) simply said, “No, women can’t be deacons, there never was such a role for women in ancient times. The “deaconess” role back then was not the female equivalent of the male office”. He most certainly could have said that and I would agree it would be better if he would have. But he himself has admitted he’s no “scholar” so maybe it’s entirely possible he doesn’t even know that historical fact.


39 posted on 05/12/2016 9:43:59 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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Let’s keep it as a study, then bury it, ping!


52 posted on 05/12/2016 1:46:06 PM PDT by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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