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The beginning of the end for Pope Francis
The Spectator ^ | 4/14/16 | Damian Thompson

Posted on 04/15/2016 1:50:20 AM PDT by markomalley

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1 posted on 04/15/2016 1:50:20 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

I know a guy who got two annulments like he was ordering a pizza.

they’re not that hard to get. Why not go down that road.


2 posted on 04/15/2016 1:55:21 AM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: markomalley
Not muddied at all; actually quite clear in fact:

Hence it can no longer simply be said that all those in any ‘irregular’ situations are living in a state of mortal sin and are deprived of sanctifying grace.

Some just choose to ignore it and insist that Francis has not changed anything at all.

3 posted on 04/15/2016 2:19:56 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: markomalley

I think Damian Thompson needs to actually read the document, because the Pope did indeed devolve everything to the local or regional bishops and the “internal forum” ( meaning your “conscience” and the parish priest can tell you that whatever you want to do is cool) and that cultural and current understandings had to be considered. In other words, there really isn’t any objective morality and while the laws exist, they are merely ideals and suggestions.

So Francis did far worse - he undermined natural law, revealed law and the entire edifice of Christian morality. It’s really a matter of “if it feels good, do it,” and all of life is now just a striving to feel good.


4 posted on 04/15/2016 3:05:04 AM PDT by livius
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To: dp0622

Annulments have certain requirements (especially an existing situation at the time of the marriage) that aren’t easy to meet; when the spouse fights the annulment (as Ted Kennedy’s wife did) then it is even more difficult.

I suspect the divorced/remarried Catholics that want the ban lifted have already gone this route unsuccessfully.


5 posted on 04/15/2016 4:12:59 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: markomalley

Occurs to me: didn’t the prior pope step down, a rather unusual occurrence? Considering how the current one is racing Left, assorted conspiracy theories cine to mind...


6 posted on 04/15/2016 4:18:35 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("Get the he11 out of my way!" - John Galt)
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To: markomalley

Where’s the part about homosexual unions?


7 posted on 04/15/2016 4:22:30 AM PDT by FR_addict (Ryan needs to go!)
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To: kearnyirish2
I suspect the divorced/remarried Catholics that want the ban lifted have already gone this route unsuccessfully.

A very good friend of mine got an annulment. He told me if you got the $$$, you basically buy it and it doesn't take years of waiting.

8 posted on 04/15/2016 4:47:25 AM PDT by SMM48
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To: SMM48

Headline should read: The end of the Catholic Church.


9 posted on 04/15/2016 5:18:52 AM PDT by refermech
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To: SMM48

He told me if you got the $$$, you basically buy it and it doesn’t take years of waiting.
___________________________________

Reminds you of our government... No?

God and Gov! Yes they are for sale, always have been, always will be!


10 posted on 04/15/2016 5:54:09 AM PDT by HypatiaTaught
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To: SMM48; All
A very good friend of mine got an annulment. He told me if you got the $$$, you basically buy it and it doesn't take years of waiting.

Yes, the selling of indulgences is what brought about the Reformation in the first place! Plus ca change...
11 posted on 04/15/2016 6:16:16 AM PDT by notdownwidems (Washington DC has become the enemy of free people everywhere)
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To: markomalley
No Damian, it's not the beginning of the end. It's the end of the beginning. There's more to come. Francis is still "at it", almost every day in the Casa Santa Marta, punching and kicking his favorite straw man; "the doctors of the law" and their fellow travelers. As if the Church has, for the past 50 years, been staggering under the weight of some sort of Jansenist inquisition when the exact opposite is the reality.

It's clear now that there is a deep and profound bitterness within Francis and it's a bitterness which he can not suppress, hence the almost daily outbursts. The bitterness is born of the realization that after half a century of the modernist onslaught, pockets of resistance.....pockets of stiff resistance, still remain.

Everything about Francis, his behavior, his words, his ridicule of those who love the Church and defend its laws, can be encompassed by one essential fact; he refuses to accept Jesus' Scriptural admonition that "the gate is narrow". This is Francis' fundamental non serviam. All his rage, all his outbursts can be explained by this; his desire to widen that gate. Hence, all the talk of "accompaniment", the issue of Communion for the divorced and civilly remarried, the ranting against those who defend fundamental and traditional Catholic Church law.......it's all essentially aimed at uprooting the gateposts and widening the gate.

On the other hand, a "good shepherd" will guide his sheep through that narrow gate or at least attempt to. This is a different model. The Francis shepherd "accompanies" while the sheep wander where they will then rages when they miss the gate to the sheep fold. He berates the "doctors of the law" who guard that gate and attempt to maintain it. The "good shepherd" is a different shepherd entirely.

None of this tortuous and scandalous Synod process was in any way necessary. Which parts of Familiaris Consortio were not clear to these faithless rogues? The whole thing was a transparent shell-game from beginning to end.

12 posted on 04/15/2016 6:27:32 AM PDT by marshmallow
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Here's the part you were looking for on homosexual unions:

251. In discussing the dignity and mission of the family, the Synod Fathers observed that, "as for proposals to place unions between homosexual persons on the same level as marriage, there are absolutely no grounds for considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to God's plan for marriage and family". It is unacceptable "that local Churches should be subjected to pressure in this matter and that international bodies should make financial aid to poor countries dependent on the introduction of laws to establish'marriage' between persons of the same sex".278

Notiuce the tagline, a quote from Jorge Bergoglio

13 posted on 04/15/2016 7:17:11 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Gay marriage...a machination of the Father of Lies to confuse and deceive the children of God.")
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To: SMM48
That very good friend of yours is very much in the wrong. Annulment does not depend on money (in fact several US dioceses offer access to the tribunal process free of charge, and all of them have reduced fees for needy people) and the time frame is entirely dependent on the complexity of the case.

If it's a slam-dunk "documentary" case (where a mere document shows that the first marriage was not valid) it could be very quick, whereas if it's a contested annulment which requires tracking down the respondent, translators, cross-examinations, etc. it could be a long time coming, and a favorable ruling is by no means certain.

The pope wasn't willing to compromise with King Henry VIII on this, even though it cost him England and pret-near the whole Anglosphere for the next 500 years.

14 posted on 04/15/2016 7:24:29 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Gay marriage...a machination of the Father of Lies to confuse and deceive the children of God.")
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To: refermech

You wish?


15 posted on 04/15/2016 7:25:00 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Gay marriage...a machination of the Father of Lies to confuse and deceive the children of God.")
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To: livius

“It is evident that the pastoral practice of the Church cannot stand in opposition to the binding doctrine nor simply ignore it. In the same manner, an architect could perhaps build a most beautiful bridge. However, if he does not pay attention to the laws of structural engineering, he risks the collapse of his construction. In the same manner, every pastoral practice has to follow the Word of God if it does not want to fail. A change of the teaching, of the dogma, is unthinkable. Who nevertheless consciously does it, or insistently demands it, is a heretic – even if he wears the Roman Purple.”
—Cardinal Brandmuller


16 posted on 04/15/2016 7:56:16 AM PDT by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: NKP_Vet

Brandmuller - AXIOS!


17 posted on 04/15/2016 8:07:07 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Gay marriage...a machination of the Father of Lies to confuse and deceive the children of God.")
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Here you go:

Pope’s exhortation adopts the approach to same-sex unions that Synod fathers rejected

18 posted on 04/15/2016 8:26:09 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: SMM48

As I understand it, an “immaturity” loophole is used to grant unjustified annulments - as though anyone involved is fooling God...


19 posted on 04/15/2016 12:44:03 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: marshmallow

Bravo


20 posted on 04/15/2016 6:17:00 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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