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Priest: Pope Francis’ pastoral revolution goes against 2,000 years of tradition
Life Site News ^ | 4/13/16; updated 4/14/16 | Fr. Brian W. Harrison, O.S.

Posted on 04/14/2016 9:07:48 AM PDT by ebb tide

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1 posted on 04/14/2016 9:07:48 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

If Pope Clement VII had issued this, Henry VIII would never have broken away with the Church of England.


2 posted on 04/14/2016 9:13:43 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it." --Samuel Clemens)
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To: ebb tide; metmom; Mark17

Some folks think they are more Catholic than the Pope.


3 posted on 04/14/2016 9:32:22 AM PDT by Gamecock ( Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul...Matthew 10:28)
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To: ebb tide

“Having no regard for the command of God, you hold fast to human tradition.”

- Jesus

Mark 7:8


4 posted on 04/14/2016 9:35:34 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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To: Gamecock
And yet, he is only following in his predecessor's proclamation: “I am the church! I am the tradition!”
5 posted on 04/14/2016 9:38:43 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: ebb tide
Must we believe that Francis alone is right on this issue, and that all his predecessors, including the still living Benedict XVI, as well as the Catechism promulgated by St. John Paul II, have been wrong and ‘unmerciful’ in allowing no exceptions in this area?

No. Francis cannot replace the teachings transmitted to us by Jesus Christ via the Deposit of Faith with his personal opinions. Such is a schismatic act.

6 posted on 04/14/2016 9:44:44 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut
Will the "Apostolic Exhortation on the Family, Amoris Laetitia (AL)" be considered as the pope speaking "ex cathedra" or is this merely a "declaration"?

I am a born again believer, but not an expert on RC doctrine. How can one tell is it is "ex cathedra"?

7 posted on 04/14/2016 9:52:58 AM PDT by jimmyray (there is no problem so bad that you can't make it worse)
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To: Gamecock

Hell, there’s quite a few people more Catholic than THIS Pope. I’d say any orthodox Christian is more catholic than Mr. Bergoglio.


8 posted on 04/14/2016 10:00:07 AM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: jimmyray

Here’s a list categorizing papal documents:

https://www.ewtn.com/HolySee/pontiff/categories.asp

Amoris Laetitia is an apostolic exhortation.


“...Apostolic Exhortation

A category of document similar to an Apostolic Letter, which Pope John Paul II uses to communicate to the Church the conclusions he has reached after consideration of the recommendations of a Synod of Bishops. He has also used it in other circumstances, such as to exhort religious to a deeper evangelical life...”


Amoris Laetitia doesn’t meet the requirements of an ex cathedra (from the chair) pronouncement, because Francis hasn’t officially used the full authority of his papacy to declare it, nor officially bound the whole Church to obey it.

It’s essentially a post-synod response paper. Any contradictions to the Deposit of Faith contained therein must be refuted.


9 posted on 04/14/2016 10:35:02 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: ebb tide

Thanks for this post. I am reading every refutation I can find, and this by the good Father is excellent.


10 posted on 04/14/2016 10:47:09 AM PDT by jobim
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To: BlatherNaut

Thank you, I need to read up on it


11 posted on 04/14/2016 10:47:22 AM PDT by jimmyray (there is no problem so bad that you can't make it worse)
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To: ebb tide
This Pope is thoroughly infected with the heresy started by the old Soviet KGB. It is called “social justice”. This Pope is a socialist progressive. He needs to go for promulgating heretical policies.
12 posted on 04/14/2016 11:05:05 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 ( To err is human, to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX:)
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To: BlatherNaut; ebb tide; All

Thanks for posting I was about to post something similar. You and others may find this interview of Fr. Dwight Longenecker interesting:

http://www.sonrisemorningshow.com/podcastgen/media/2016-04-14_sonrise_2016_04_13.mp3

It starts around 23:30.


13 posted on 04/14/2016 11:30:38 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: BlatherNaut; Salvation

Vatican Radio Report on Francis’ sermon today:

>>One must be docile to the Holy Spirit, said Pope Francis Thursday at Mass in his residence of Casa Santa Marta, and one must not resist Him. Pope Francis warns against those who resist the Spirit with “so-called fidelity to the law” and invites the faithful to pray for the grace of the docility to the Spirit.<<

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2016/04/14/be_docile_to_the_holy_spirit_-_pope_francis_at_casa_santa_ma/1222680


14 posted on 04/14/2016 11:58:45 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BlatherNaut; Salvation
And Francis has said that even his sermons are “magisterium”.
15 posted on 04/14/2016 12:02:17 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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Pope Francis warns against those who resist the Spirit with “so-called fidelity to the law”

Oh, brother ... [sigh]

16 posted on 04/14/2016 1:25:35 PM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: jimmyray; BlatherNaut
Not only is Amoris not "Ex Cathedra", it's not even an exercise of the Ordinary Magisterium in any sense which is not in continuity with Francis' predecessors.

How can you tell?

In one way, negatively: a pope may explicitly state that he is not writing in a binding manner.

Two examples: in Laudato Si Pope Francis said about a dozen times that he was all about "dialogue," "joining the global conversation," "Adding to the discussion" (LINK) etc. --- this is not the language of dogma.

In Amoris Laetitiae, para. 3, Pope Francis says, "I would make it clear that not all discussions of doctrinal, moral or pastoral issues need to be settled by interventions of the magisterium....Each country or region, moreover, can seek solutions better suited to its culture and sensitive to its traditions and local needs." Cardinal Raymond Burke (LINK), who is a recognized expert on the legal standing of texts, has stated that this means the document is not meant to be binding de fide.

In another way, positively: a pope *must* state explicitly that "This is binding" using a solemn form of address which uses words like "define," "declare," "command," etc. An example of this would be the kind of language used by Pope Pius XII, invoking his dogmatic authority, defining the dogma of the Assumption of Mary:

"By the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by our own authority, we pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory".

17 posted on 04/14/2016 2:23:06 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." - Psalm 89:15)
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To: kosciusko51

PopeFrank flaunts tradition. He makes me more than nervous.


18 posted on 04/14/2016 3:25:59 PM PDT by tioga
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To: BlatherNaut

Both Synods came out strong against communion for the shacked up and anything do with recognizing “irregular unions”. This is all Bergoglio. It’s what he wants. He could care less about 2,000 years of Church teachings and Doctrine. Like I’ve said before he was the first Jesuit selected as pope and he’ll be the last. The Jesuits in the last 50 years have turned into nothing in the world but the left-wing of the Catholic Church. Everything they do is against the Church. At one time they were a great order, fighting for the Word of God. Now if they were completely relegated to the ash heap of history I couldn’t be happier.


19 posted on 04/14/2016 9:07:54 PM PDT by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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Heresy In Amoris Laetitia: 291-295 & 297

"Reading Francis through Satan"

20 posted on 04/15/2016 8:54:10 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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