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Perpetual virginity
OSV.com ^ | 03-09-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 03/12/2016 9:36:07 AM PST by Salvation

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To: rwa265; Tennessee Nana; metmom; Springfield Reformer; imardmd1; daniel1212; Iscool; HossB86; ...
YOU cannot say specifically what Anicetus believed during the visit from Polycarp. You cannot know what was in Polycarp's mind during the Passover celebration of the Lamb of God. That is why I have been trying to help with the Historical context of the debates. And here is one more huge clue ...

The Bible tells us that the life is in the blood, hence the law against drinking the blood of the creature.

Now understand this: The life is in the blood; the blood is not life, it carries the life in it. The creature draws the life from the blood to every living cell in the body of the creature. The life is, and in this portion of our being that life is IN, carried by, delivered throughout the body, by the blood. But we humans are more than just animal creatures. we have a spirit which can deliver LIFE to our souls. Our soul is not our physical, creature body; we are souls who inhabit a body.

Spiritual life is not drawn from the circulating blood. The spirit of man is dead in trespasses and sin, unless GOD places LIFE in the human spirit. As Jesus illustrated (let the dead go bury their dead), the soul can exist in a state of deadness; where the spirit in the soul has no life in it (it was taken out when Adam sinned), the soul can be carried around connected to the living body, but that soul is in a state of 'deadness'. Jesus came to bring LIFE to the dead spirit of men. He doesn't place that LIFE in the human spirit via the same system whereby the life of the creature is in the blood. The Blood Jesus offers is not creature blood.

When I was a little boy there was an Army colonel who washed his big car in the parking lot of Fairlington apartments, on Utah Street, and he used Army buckets made of canvas which had a metal ring sewn into the canvas at the bottom and a larger canvas ring sewn into the rim of the opening at the top of the bucket. I was captured by the way the water gave shape to the bucket, and how a full bucket would 'spill' water over the top if you pushed your finger into the side of the bucket. Think of the human spirit like the canvas bucket. without the water in it was flat, not even a bucket. But when full of water it had a full shape of 'bucket' and if jostled would allow water to pour out of the bucket to the surroundings.

Life of the creature is in the blood. The blood is not the life, the life is carried, is in the blood and gets distributed to all living parts of the body.

When John O'Brien, in The Faith of Millions, says that the Catholic Priest brings Jesus from the Heavenly throne, this Jesus would not be drawing LIFE from blood, so this myth of ingesting the body, blood, soul, and Divinity of Jesus The Christ is just that, a myth, a great error. The Jesus in Heaven is not drawing His Life from blood but from the Spirit of God.

When anyone takes the bread and wine at the Passover Remembrance of Jesus Sacrifice for us as the Lamb of God, there is no life transferred by the tokens, but there is spiritual life for the believers in Him. This Life doesn't get into us via the gastronomic system, it comes by way of believing in Him as The source of Life.

When the ones who come out of the Tribulation arrive in Heaven, they will have washed their garments in the blood of the Lamb of God.

The parable Jesus told of the man who showed up at the wedding without the proper wedding garment gives us a clue via metaphor for the thing washed in the blood of the Lamb of God, for the blood must be seen on 'the doorposts and lentils' so angel would pass over and not take the life of the first born.

The LIFE is in the blood, the blood is not the life. How does Jesus say He has life as He speaks to the twisters and chasers after signs and wonders, in John 6.

981 posted on 03/23/2016 2:46:30 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: rwa265
I prefer to take Jesus at His word.

Clearly these guys are SNAKES; for Jesus SAID so!!

Matthew 23:33
"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

982 posted on 03/23/2016 2:49:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rwa265
He said over and again that we must eat His body and drink His blood to have His life in us.

HE also said some men were snakes.

How can you DENY the VERY WORDS OF JESUS in this matter?

983 posted on 03/23/2016 2:52:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rwa265
This is error. When The SOUL enters the body, you have life in the body. The spirit of everyone descended from Adam is dead even as the soul animates the creature body. Jesus has a way to animate His Resurrected body that did not require blood coursing through veins and arteries. Such a source of Life is deposited as only an earnest, into our human spirit when we are born from above.

The event depicted in 1 Thess 4:13-17 will change in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, the creature body drawing life from the blood which carries the life, to drawing life directlty from the same means Jesus is utilizing today in Heaven.

984 posted on 03/23/2016 2:53:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: ealgeone
How does the catholic address these two issues?

By...


"What?
"Did you say something?"

or...

"Which two?"

985 posted on 03/23/2016 2:53:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
They constantly sent the sex is evil message out, sometimes overtly, most of the time subtly.

I don't don't...

...but Rome DOES send the message that, "You'd better NOT try to avoid children when having sex."!

Everybody should be fruitful and multiply!!!


Except Mary; of course.

986 posted on 03/23/2016 2:56:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN; rwa265; Tennessee Nana; metmom; Springfield Reformer; imardmd1; daniel1212; Iscool; ...
I'm still waiting on the roman catholics to confirm of deny they believe this.

The supreme power of the priestly office is the power of consecrating. “No act is greater,” says St. Thomas,” than the consecration of the body of Christ.”23 In this essential phase of the sacred ministry, the power of the priest is not surpassed by that of the bishop, the archbishop, the cardinal or the pope. Indeed it is equal to that of Jesus Christ. For in this role the priest speaks with the voice and the authority of God Himself.

When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our alter to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man. It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperor: it is greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim.

Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man – not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows his head in humble obedience to the priest’s command.

The Faith of Millions: The Credentials of the Catholic Religion, O’Brien, John Anthony Rev, Our Sunday Visitor, Inc, Huntington, Indiana, Nihil obstat: Rev. Lawrence Gollner, Censor Librorum, Imprimatur: Leo A Pursley, Bishop of Fort Wayne-South Bend, pages 255-256

The Faith of Millions: The Credentials of the Catholic Religion

987 posted on 03/23/2016 3:47:04 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: MHGinTN
ua know, eventually this purposed false assertion (2016 years? Really?) becomes lying for your religion. That’s not a part of Christianity, dewd.

No it's not, at worst it is a close approximation because of calendar changes and the exact date that Christ founded His Catholic church....I'll allow about a 20 year variation from 2,016....but does it really make any difference?....could even be a little longer.

988 posted on 03/23/2016 3:54:25 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: Elsie
PAGE 330?? 330 As purely spiritual creatures angels have intelligence and will: they are personal and immortal creatures, surpassing in perfection all visible creatures, as the splendor of their glory bears witness.190

Yeah, but page 330 describes the Catholic Sacrament of Baptism and has nothing to do with Angels.

989 posted on 03/23/2016 3:57:50 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: xzins

Mary had Jesus by a man?


990 posted on 03/23/2016 3:58:44 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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John 6:57 As the living Father has sent me, and I live by the Father: ... 63 It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


991 posted on 03/23/2016 4:00:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: metmom

I don’t think he is asserting that. The thinking of the people of the time would discount a miraculous origin and just jump right to ‘she had sex’.


992 posted on 03/23/2016 4:02:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: metmom
The catechism of the Catholic church is 2,000 years old? Do tell. I didn't know that the CCC from V2 was 2016 years old. Provide the proof that that is so.

Read my post carefully....I didn't say that the book was that old, I said that the teaching was.....you don't get to change the definition of Baptism just because you don't like it.....

993 posted on 03/23/2016 4:03:10 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: MHGinTN

Well, yeah, because she was betrothed, which is why everyone thought Jesus was the carpenter’s son.


994 posted on 03/23/2016 4:05:14 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

I said “the father of her first child was still living”

Is there some part of that you disagree with?


995 posted on 03/23/2016 4:11:52 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Prayer for Victory is the ONLY way to support the troops!)
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To: ealgeone
The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows his head in humble obedience to the priest’s command

Hmmm. According to this blasphemy, Christ cannot be omnipotent if he obeys a human (created being) priest.

I'm with you: I'd be interested to know if Roman Catholics believe this heretical crap.

Hoss

996 posted on 03/23/2016 4:22:33 PM PDT by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: metmom
No matter which way you turn, Catholicism denigrates sex and turns it into something less that worthy of a Christian. They constantly sent the sex is evil message out, sometimes overtly, most of the time subtly.

Yeah, those tiny Catholic families 6-8-10 kids didn't do the evil deed.....wake up. My wife is the oldest of 15, my sister had 9.....the old fashioned way.

997 posted on 03/23/2016 5:34:49 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: HossB86
If we follow catholic logic (?) they have to. All priests are supposed to be able to trace a path back to Peter they claim.

It's supposed to be passed down.

998 posted on 03/23/2016 5:39:19 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone; Tennessee Nana

1.5 !


999 posted on 03/23/2016 5:49:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

:)


1,000 posted on 03/23/2016 5:53:38 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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