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To: Zuriel
.and doesn’t dodge John chapter 14, until after four requests. And then finally all you say is that you believe it. Prove it by quoting John 4:9,10,and 11, and say “I believe that with all my heart”. (I am convinced by your actions thus far, that you really wish that those verses didn’t exist.)

"I love the LORD my God with all my heart, soul, and strength."

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

John, Catholic chapter four, Protestant verses nine to eleven,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Matthew, Catholic chapter six, Protestant verses five to fifteen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James,
boldness and underline emphasis mine

  1. Do you obey this scripture ? Do you pray the "Our Father" on a regular basis ?
  2. Who did the Messiah pray to ?
  3. Who do you pray to ?

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

John, Catholic chapterfourteen, Protestant verses twenty one to twenty four,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James,
boldness and underline emphasis mine

77 posted on 02/19/2016 8:44:34 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

Sorry, busy weekend away from the pc, and only have a few minutes.

**1.Do you obey this scripture ?**

Not as much as I should.

**Do you pray the “Our Father” on a regular basis ?**

It is of course the great example, set forth by the Expert. I find it to be a good prayer IF I’m praying it in earnest, thinking on each line and how it applies to my own situation in this world. If I just pray it to achieve a sense of religiosity, then I’m not really praying.

**2.Who did the Messiah pray to ?**

To the Father, of course, while in the flesh.
When you no longer need help, you no longer ask for it. The Son no longer needs help overcoming the flesh, and has been given all power to be the mediator for those still in need of divine help and deliverance.

**3.Who do you pray to ?

The Son is still in the Father, and the Father in him; the fullness of the Godhead bodily. I can pray to God, addressing him with titles, but always in the name of Jesus.

John 14:21-24 doesn’t take away the source of all words and power from the Father, as seen in verse 24:

“He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the WORD which ye hear is NOT mine, BUT the FATHER’S which sent me.” (my caps)

The struggle for physical man to comprehend the invisible domain of God is shown in verse 22:

“Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?”

The Christ explains that he will be manifest in a new way to them. He had to go away in order for his mind to be multiplied infinitely. That’s why the Comforter could not come until the Son departed from their sight. He told them:

“I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.” John 14:18

Just like the Son, this manifestation will not promote a mind of his own, but only what he shall hear, that shall he speak (Jn 14:13).

It still boils down to God the Father being supreme in all things, using such exquisite, and mind blowing methods to commune with his creation.


78 posted on 02/21/2016 12:14:32 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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