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To: af_vet_1981

**Once again I ask: what divine quality did Mary create in the Son?
Rhetorical question**

That’s not a real answer, just a dodge, like the complete dodging of John chapter 14.

**No, God the Son is always one with God the Father.**

Still using the “God the Son” phrase that Jesus Christ and his apostles NEVER used? You like to insist that the RCC preserved the scriptures, but the RCC prefers to modify it to match it’s interpretations (God [the Son].....466).

**Do you think the Father was crucified on the cross ?**

You use RCC interpretation to answer your own question, and still fail to answer it. Should I assume that you will get hung up on that, and ignore the NAME issue?....that I will now address:

And again you use one verse (Matt 18:19, which had the highlighted words) to attempt to make an indisputable position, and again throwing assorted teachings of Jesus Christ and his apostles under the bus:

Luke 24:47 “...it behoved Christ...And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations beginning at Jerusalem”.
(what is Christ’s name?)

(fast forward to Jerusalem)

Acts 2:38 “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins..”.

Acts 8:16 “(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)”

Acts 10:48 “And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord...”.
(What is the name of the Lord, if thou canst tell?)

Acts 19:5 “...they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus”.

Acts 22:16 “...be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord”.
(which Lord would that be?)

Romans 6:3 “Know ye not, that as many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?”

1 Cor. 1:13 “Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you, or were ye baptized in the name of Paul.”
(think on that one for a minute, please.)

Col. 2:11,12 “...putting off the body of sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism,...”.
(what is Christ’s name?)

Matt. 28:19 “..baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”

The name of the Father (I’m showing you a classic example of using the whole of scriptures; in other words: not leaving out verses like the two following ones):

John 5:43 “I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.” (The Christ is testifying there, that his name is not his own.)

Hebrews 1:1-4 “God....spoken to us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things,....made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they”.
(He inherited his name from who?)

The name of the Son:

Matt. 1:21,25 “..shalt call his name JESUS..”. “..called his name JESUS.”

Luke 1:31 “..and shalt call his name JESUS”. Luke 2:21 “..his name was called JESUS,..”.

The name of the Holy Ghost (the name that it is sent by):

John 14:26 “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name...”.

If the RCC ever taught the above teachings, they certainly don’t now, and haven’t for quite a while.

The above teachings did not begin....

**in Los Angeles on April 15, 1913**

I’m a father, son, and husband, but those aren’t my name. Repeating a command isn’t necessarily following a command. The various baptism results listed above prove that.

Here’s an example: A small trucking company I drove for has a boss that could very easily have give me instructions like this; “when you get to the location to pick up the new truck, you have authorization to sign the name of the founder, general manager, and chief mechanic, to the buyers agreement........”. That just so happened to be one name.

Jesus Christ didn’t fail in teaching his apostles. They got it right. It’s just that the devil hates the name of JESUS. I don’t think that I have ever heard someone curse God, saying: bleep, bleep, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Not saying it hasn’t happened, I just haven’t heard it.

**a modern, heretical devolution from Protestantism.**

Which of us is using unscriptural phrases, and avoiding some scriptures altogether? (still waiting on your assessment of John 14)

A movement can have a huge following for a long, long time, and be wrong. Just look at Islam (I know, an extreme example).

“because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” Matt. 7:14

Cheerio!


70 posted on 02/18/2016 9:56:23 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel
That’s not a real answer, just a dodge, like the complete dodging of John chapter 14.

Your question is not a real question, which is why I labeled it rhetorical. Yes, I believe the Gospel of John, Catholic chapter fourteen.
71 posted on 02/18/2016 4:07:46 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Zuriel
Should I assume that you will get hung up on that, and ignore the NAME issue?..

Should I assume you will avoid the provenance issue ? The pseudoChristian movement you are selling started in 1913, and you imagine it has recreated authentic Christianity with twenty centuries of Christian History staring it down; yet another devolved Protestant movement claiming the name ... there have been myriads of those.

When your mind's made up
When your mind's made up
There's no point trying to change it

When your mind's made up
When your mind's made up
There's no point even talking

When your mind's made up
When your mind's made up
There's no point trying to fight it

what is Christ’s name?)

What is the name of the Lord, if thou canst tell?

Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him. And he removed from thence unto a mountain on the east of Bethel, and pitched his tent, having Bethel on the west, and Hai on the east: and there he builded an altar unto the LORD, and called upon the name of the LORD.

And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. [30] And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal. The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD. Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.

Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

Proverbs, Catholic chapter thirty, Protestant verse four,
Genesis, Catholic chapter four, Protestant verse twenty six,
Genesis, Catholic chapter twelve, Protestant verses seven to eight,
Genesis, Catholic chapter thirty two, Protestant verses twenty nine to thirty,
Exodus, Catholic chapter three, Protestant verses fourteen to fifteen,
Exodus, Catholic chapter six, Protestant verses two to three,
Isaiah, Catholic chapter seven, Protestant verse fourteen,
Isaiah, Catholic chapter nine, Protestant verses six to eight,
Isaiah, Catholic chapter forty two, Protestant verse eight,
Jeremiah, Catholic chapter twenty three, Protestant verses twenty five to thirty two,
Matthew, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses eighteen to twenty three,
Matthew, Catholic chapter twenty two, Protestant verses thirty six to thirty eight,
Revelation, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses one to three,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James,
boldness mine

74 posted on 02/18/2016 9:58:56 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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