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To: Zuriel
Should I assume that you will get hung up on that, and ignore the NAME issue?..

Should I assume you will avoid the provenance issue ? The pseudoChristian movement you are selling started in 1913, and you imagine it has recreated authentic Christianity with twenty centuries of Christian History staring it down; yet another devolved Protestant movement claiming the name ... there have been myriads of those.

When your mind's made up
When your mind's made up
There's no point trying to change it

When your mind's made up
When your mind's made up
There's no point even talking

When your mind's made up
When your mind's made up
There's no point trying to fight it

what is Christ’s name?)

What is the name of the Lord, if thou canst tell?

Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him. And he removed from thence unto a mountain on the east of Bethel, and pitched his tent, having Bethel on the west, and Hai on the east: and there he builded an altar unto the LORD, and called upon the name of the LORD.

And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. [30] And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal. The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD. Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.

Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

Proverbs, Catholic chapter thirty, Protestant verse four,
Genesis, Catholic chapter four, Protestant verse twenty six,
Genesis, Catholic chapter twelve, Protestant verses seven to eight,
Genesis, Catholic chapter thirty two, Protestant verses twenty nine to thirty,
Exodus, Catholic chapter three, Protestant verses fourteen to fifteen,
Exodus, Catholic chapter six, Protestant verses two to three,
Isaiah, Catholic chapter seven, Protestant verse fourteen,
Isaiah, Catholic chapter nine, Protestant verses six to eight,
Isaiah, Catholic chapter forty two, Protestant verse eight,
Jeremiah, Catholic chapter twenty three, Protestant verses twenty five to thirty two,
Matthew, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses eighteen to twenty three,
Matthew, Catholic chapter twenty two, Protestant verses thirty six to thirty eight,
Revelation, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses one to three,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James,
boldness mine

74 posted on 02/18/2016 9:58:56 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

**authentic Christianity**.....

doesn’t invent Godhead phrases that are not found in the scriptures,.....

..and doesn’t dodge John chapter 14, until after four requests. And then finally all you say is that you believe it. Prove it by quoting John 4:9,10,and 11, and say “I believe that with all my heart”. (I am convinced by your actions thus far, that you really wish that those verses didn’t exist.)

You reply to my list, of proof of the name of Jesus used in water baptism,...

**with twenty centuries of**..SCRIPTURAL Christian doctrine staring you down......

..with a quoting of scriptures giving various names of God???

You brought up Matt. 28:19. Now own it as PART of the instructions given to the apostles, AND FOLLOWED by them perfectly. FOR they were to open the door to this ‘new and living way’ (they were given the keys). They baptized in the name of Jesus everywhere they went. Furthermore.....

...Peter said, “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved”. Acts 4:12

I have no doubt that the disciples were quite aware of the various other names that you chose to quote, even before meeting the Lord Jesus. It was he, that made it known unto them, the NAME of God that was previously unknown to them:

“I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word”. John 17:6

Did the Son of God inherit the name of JESUS? Yes or no.

**When your mind’s made up**

IMO, I stay on subject better than you. You want to use man’s history to make doctrinal disputations, instead of proving by the scriptures that your church organization isn’t teaching erroneously.

Cheerio


75 posted on 02/19/2016 10:46:52 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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