Posted on 12/31/2015 4:29:48 PM PST by NYer
Why should I listen to any of the heretics you listed?
Is she the mother of God the Father? Is she the mother of God the Spirit?
If she is the mother of God, then, by your logic, she must also be the mother of the Father and the Holy Spirit because they are also God....
But, as we know, she did NOT bear the Father or the Spirit, although they too are God. She bore Jesus. And yes, Jesus is God, but Mary cannot bear God. She bore Jesus, the human form taken by God the Son.
Your other issues are completely irrelevant to the question. Stop trying to invent them so. Its a poor excuse to dodge the real truth. You believe that Jesus is God, therefore you have to believe that Mary is the Mother of God.
No, I do not have to admit this, because to admit it is to admit to error. My question is essential: do you believe that Catholics and Muslims worship the same 'merciful God' or not? It is a simple matter. If you agree with Rome, then all of your arguments are moot and founded on heresy. If you disagree with Rome, then you are affirming that there is error in Rome's teaching. And if there is error in the CCC, then the teaching about Mary in the CCC can also be in error -- which means you could be in error as well.
Are you in agreement with Rome, or not concerning CCC 841? It's a simple yes or no question... why do you refuse to answer it?
Hoss
Why should I listen to the heresy and blasphemy of the Roman Catholic Church?
Hoss
Just who is qualified to accuse the Catholic church of heresy and/or blasphemy??? Hoss
Why should I listen to any of the heretics you listed?
She does not have to be mother of the other persons of the trinity to be the mother of God. This is essential to what it means to say one God in three distinct persons. The Son can be sent to be born to Mary (Gal 3:4).
Since Jesus is God that necessarily means that Mary is the Mother of God.
but Mary cannot bear God. She bore Jesus, the human form taken by God the Son.
Jesus humanity and divinity are unseparated and unmixed They are one reality in One distinct person of the Holy Trinity. You've got to grasp the distinctions here.Its not illogical it is entirely what actually happened.
The rest of your questions are not worth bothering an answer too since you still haven't understood Christianity at all yet. You've got questions making errors about the Holy Trinity, and errors about the person of Jesus. Why should we bother jumping into another long discussion until we have solved this most essential truth about Jesus and the Trinity and Mary the Blessed Mother of God? No. Its not worth it to get distracted.
No. It’s catholic logic as I noted.
And the RCC did nothing to help them learn to read. I can understand why they didn’t.
None of your business how anyone chooses to practice their religion.
How so? Are you denying that the other persons of the trinity are God?
Jesus humanity and divinity are unseparated and unmixed
Which is it? Unseparated, meaning mixed, and unmixed meaning separated. Jesus IS God and man; but did the eternal God die on the Cross, or was it Christ's sinless humanity? If God died, is he God?
The rest of your questions are not worth bothering an answer too since you still haven't understood Christianity at all yet
They are essential because your Church teaches that Catholics believe in a false God. We can't begin to solve any issues until I know where YOU stand. Do you agree with Rome, and assent to CCC 841 that states Catholics and Muslims adore the same ' merciful God', thereby stating that you worship Allah, or do you dissent from Rome's teaching and deny that Catholics worship the same 'God' as Muslims, thereby admitting that the CCC is in error? Where do you stand? I AM Christian; I worship the one true, Triune, Living God.
Hoss
The focus on Mary has always been to emphasize the divinity of Jesus. The doctrine of the incarnation.
Anyone who can read God's Word. Because when one reads God's Word, one sees where Rome adds to the requirements of salvation; one sees the falsehoods taught as biblical when they are not.
In short, even a little child is qualified to accuse the Catholic Church of heresy -- child-like faith-- for even children can tell truth from fiction
Hoss
See 163; answered for you there.
Hoss
Her seed.
What is Satan’s seed? Angels cannot reproduce.
Her seed refers to not only her Son, Jesus Christ, but also to His Church, his Mystical Body, of which He is the head. Jesus Himself refers many times to the reality of the Mystical Body of Christ, He is the vine, we are the branches, He is the head, we are the members, He is the Root of Jesse, etc....
Easy peasy to understand for those who have Faith.
The context of that passage from Genesis makes it quite clear who is the woman/her. It was talking about EVE. Satan has been at enmity with the human race since the human race began. It is Jesus - the God/man who will ultimately crush and put an end to the devil. This all started way before Mary was even born.
Your post is wrong on so many counts.
For starters Jesus did not have ANY siblings. None. If you are so stupid to think that any man would go in where the Holy Spirit went first and violate that sacred space you are deceived by Satan himself. Think about how disgusting your view of Mary is, that some mere man would violate a perpetual virgin betrothed to the Holy Spirit? Are you willing to stand before the Holy Spirit and say, “I’m okay with that, yes, that’s the way it is?” Do you really know anything at all about what you are saying? Satan hates Mary because she was humble, pure, sinless, a perpetual virgin, betrothed to God Himself. He venom has become part of the protestant traditions of men.
I think rather it is you who have made the mistake of “injecting a personal opinion into scripture and using scripture to justify your belief.”
Many books have been written on the depth of meaning in those words Jesus spoke from the Cross while He hung in agony, fighting off suffocation by standing on a nail ripping through his feet. It was at that moment, “Woman Behold Thy Son”, that the prophecy of Simeon was fulfilled.
For those who have Faith, it is abundantly clear. For those who cling to some stunted caricature of christianity, no amount of wrestling with the meaning of the Scriptures produces any fruit. Which suits satan just fine. It’s why he invented so many confused labyrinth paths to ensnare many, to keep them from finding their way to the Mystical Body, to the Sacraments, to that communion of saints that Jesus said He would be with, always, even unto the end of the world.
There’s also the little matter of matter of Mary being guilty of adultery if she slept with Joseph after giving herself to the Holy Spirit.
You two are going to make the anti-Catholics very angry if you keep presenting them with the facts in the form or truth. None of them like having their world view challenged, it makes them very uncomfortable.
We don't interpret the Bible; we read the Bible. It's written to be easily understood.
You say that "doctors of the church" interpreted the Bible. So prove me wrong and the doctors right. Find a Bible and go through it with a fine-tooth comb. What are the chapters and verses the "doctors" found that address infant baptism, praying to Mary, purgatory, the rosary, a pope, confessing sins to a priest, last rites, etc.? Seriously; read the Bible if you believe the Bible.
Protestantism is a "scourge on humanity"? A bit offensive, don't you think? (I'm not even a Protestant.)
Paul illustrated what tradition is: "For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures. . . . Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed" (1 Cor. 15:3,11). The apostle praised those who followed Tradition: "I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you" (1 Cor. 11:2).
The first Christians "devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching" (Acts 2:42) long before there was a New Testament. From the very beginning, the fullness of Christian teaching was found in the Church as the living embodiment of Christ, not in a book. The teaching Church, with its oral, apostolic tradition, was authoritative. Paul himself gives a quotation from Jesus that was handed down orally to him: "It is more blessed to give than to receive" (Acts 20:35).
This saying is not recorded in the Gospels and must have been passed on to Paul. Indeed, even the Gospels themselves are oral tradition which has been written down (Luke 1:1-4). What's more, Paul does not quote Jesus only. He also quotes from early Christian hymns, as in Ephesians 5:14. These and other things have been given to Christians "through the Lord Jesus" (1 Thess. 4:2).
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