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Mary, Mother of God
The Sacred Page ^ | December 29, 2015

Posted on 12/31/2015 4:29:48 PM PST by NYer

January 1 is the Solemnity (Holy Day) of Mary, Mother of God.  To call Mary the “Mother of God” must not be understood as a claim for Mary’s motherhood of divinity itself, but in the sense that Mary was mother of Jesus, who is truly God.  The Council of Ephesus in 431—long before the schisms with the Eastern churches and the Protestants—proclaimed “Mother of God” a theologically correct title for Mary. 


So far from being a cause of division, the common confession of Mary as “Mother of God” should unite all Christians, and distinguish Christian orthodoxy from various confusions of it, such as Arianism (the denial that Jesus was God) or Nestorianism (in which Mary mothers only the human nature of Jesus but not his whole person).

Two themes are present in the Readings for this Solemnity: (1) the person of Mary, and (2) the name of Jesus.   Why the name of Jesus? Prior to the second Vatican Council, the octave day of Christmas was the Feast of the Holy Name, not Mary Mother of God.  The legacy of that tradition can be seen in the choice of Readings for this Solemnity.  (The Feast of the Holy Name was removed from the calendar after Vatican II; St. John Paul II restored it as an optional memorial on January 3.  This year it is not observed in the U.S., because Epiphany falls on January 3.)

1.  The First Reading is Numbers 6:22-27:


The LORD said to Moses:
“Speak to Aaron and his sons and tell them:
This is how you shall bless the Israelites.
Say to them:
The LORD bless you and keep you!
The LORD let his face shine upon
you, and be gracious to you!
The LORD look upon you kindly and
give you peace!
So shall they invoke my name upon the Israelites,
and I will bless them.”

This Solemnity is one of the very few times that the Book of Numbers is read on a Lord’s Day or Feast Day.  Here’s a little background on the Book of Numbers:

The Book of Numbers is a little less neglected than Leviticus among modern Christian readers, if only because, unlike its predecessor, it combines its long lists of laws with a number of dramatic narratives about the rebellions of Israel against God in the wilderness, which create literary interest.  The name “Numbers” is, perhaps, already off-putting for the modern reader—it derives from the Septuagint name Arithmoi, “Numbers”, referring to the two numberings or censuses, one each of the first and second generations in the Wilderness, that form the pillars of the literary structure of the book in chs. 1 and 26.  The Hebrew name is bamidbar, “In the Wilderness,” which is an accurate description of the geographical and spiritual location of Israel throughout most of the narrative.
         The Book of Numbers has a strong literary relationship with its neighbors in the Pentateuch.  In many ways it corresponds with the Book of Exodus.  Exodus begins with the people staying in Egypt (Exodus 1-13), then describes their journey to through the desert (Exodus 14-19), and ends with them stationary at Sinai (20-36).  Numbers begins with the people staying at Sinai (Num 1-10), describes their journey through the desert (Num 11-25), and ends with them stationary on the Plains of Moab.  Sinai and the Plains of Moab correspond: at each location the people will receive a covenant (see below on Deuteronomy).  Furthermore, there are strong literary connections between the journeys through the Wilderness to and from Sinai (Ex 14-19; Num 11-25).  Both these sections are dominated by accounts of the people of Israel “murmuring” (Heb. lôn), “rebelling” (Heb. mārāh), or “striving” (Heb. rîb) against the LORD and/or Moses, together with Moses’ need for additional help to rule an unruly people (Ex 18; Num 11:16-39), and God’s miraculous provision for the people’s physical needs (Ex 15:22-17:7; Num 11:31-34; 20:1-13).  This is evidence of careful literary artistry: the central Sinai Narrative (Exod 20–Num 10) is surrounded by the unruly behavior of the people wandering in the desert.
         Numbers also has a close relationship with Leviticus.  If Leviticus established a sacred “constitution” for the life of Israel, exhibiting a logical, systematic order concluded, like a good covenant document, with a listing of blessings and curses (Lev 26), Numbers is more like a list of “amendments” to the “constitution,” together with accounts of the historical circumstances that led to their enactment.  And like the lists of amendments on many state and national constitutions, the laws have an ad hoc, circumstantial character, with little logical connection between successive “amendments.” 
         Finally, Numbers “sets the stage” for the Book of Deuteronomy, providing us the necessary information about Israel’s geographical and moral condition when they arrived at the “Plains of Moab opposite Jericho” in order to appreciate Moses’ extended homily and renewal of the covenant that he will deliver at this site in the final book of the Pentateuch.

The specific text we have in this First Reading is the famous Priestly Blessing of Numbers 6.  The formula for blessing given to the priests involves the invocation of the Divine Name (YHWH) three times over the people of Israel. 

A Brief Excursus on the Divine Name
“If they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say?” “God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM,” say … “I AM has sent me to you” (Ex 3:13-14).  The revelation of the divine Name to Moses (Ex 3:13-15) is one of the most theologically significant passages of the Old Testament.  By revealing himself as “I AM”, God distinguishes himself from the other gods of the nations, which “are not.”  He is the only God who truly is.  Furthermore, the name “I AM” stresses that God exists of himself; unlike all other beings he does not take his existence from some other cause.  Later philosophical language will describe God as the one necessary being.  While lacking technical philosophical language, the ancients did have the concept of self-existence: in Egyptian religion, the sun-god Amon-RÄ“ “came into being by himself” and all other beings took their existence from him.  However, God reveals to Moses that it is He, the LORD—not Amon-RÄ“ or any other Egyptian god—who is the ground of being and the source of existence. 

The actual word given to Israel to serve as the Name of God is spelled YHWH in the English equivalents of the Hebrew consonants. It is not the full phrase “I AM WHO I AM” but rather an archaic form of the Hebrew verb HYH, “to be,” with the meaning “HE IS.” Out of respect for the third commandment, Jews after the Babylonian exile (c. 597–537 BC) ceased to pronounce the divine name at all, but instead substituted the title “Lord,” in Hebrew adonai, in Greek kyrios.  Thus the God of Israel is called ho kyrios, “the Lord” in the New Testament.  This sheds light on the meaning of the phrase, “Jesus is Lord!” (Rom 10:9; 1 Cor 12:3).

The Hebrew language was written without vowels until around AD 700, when Jewish scribes developed a vowel-writing system.  The form YHWH, however, was written with the vowels for adonai, the word Jews actually pronounced.  The English translators of the King James Version did not understand this system, and in a few instances combined the Hebrew consonants of YHWH (called the tetragrammaton, lit. “the four letters”) with the Hebrew vowels of adonai to form the erroneous name “Jehovah.”  Catholic tradition addresses God with neither the mistaken form “Jehovah” nor the ancient pronunciation “Yahweh,” but uses “LORD” to refer to the God of Israel, in keeping with the practice of Jesus and the Apostles.  In most English Bibles, “LORD” in caps represents YHWH in the Hebrew text, while “Lord” in lower case represents the actual Hebrew word adonai.

The concept of “name” in Hebrew culture was of great significance.  The “name” represented the essence of the person, and invoking the name made the person mystically present.  Therefore, God will speak of the manifestation of his presence in the Temple as the “dwelling of his Name” in various places of the Old Testament.
The invocation of the Name of God over the people of Israel communicates God’s presence and Spirit to them at least a mediated way. 

In post-exilic Judaism, the Divine Name (YHWH) was seldom if ever pronounced, except on the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur), when the High Priest would make atonement for the whole nation in the Holy of Holies, and then exit the Temple in order to bless the assembled people in the Temple courts.  There, he would pronounce the blessing of Numbers 6, including the vocalization of the Divine Name.  Every time the people would hear the Name pronounced, they would drop prostrate on the ground.  This is recorded in Sirach:

Sir. 50:20 Then Simon came down, and lifted up his hands over the whole congregation of the sons of Israel, to pronounce the blessing of the Lord with his lips, and to glory in his name, and to glory in his name;  21 and they bowed down in worship a second time, to receive the blessing from the Most High.

Similar information is recorded in the Mishnah, the second-century AD collection of rabbinic tradition and teaching that become the basis of the legal system of modern Judaism.  So in the Mishnah, tractate Yoma 3:8 and 6:2:

And [when the people heard the four letter Name] they answer after [the High Priest]: “Blessed be the Name of His glorious Kingdom forever and ever”. (M. Yoma 3:8)

Then, the priests and the people standing in the courtyard, when they heard the explicit Name from the mouth of the High Priest, would bend their knees, bow down and fall on their faces, and they would say, "Blessed be the Honored Name of His Sovereignty forever!" (M. Yoma 6:2)

We read this passage of Scripture in today’s liturgy for a variety of reasons. 

First, we gather as God’s people around the world on this, the first day of the civil year, to ask from God his blessing upon us. 

Second, we commemorate (in the Gospel) the circumcision and naming of Jesus.  For us in the New Covenant, the Name of God continues to be a source of blessing and Divine Presence, but the name we are to use is no longer YHWH but “Jesus.”  Jesus is God’s Name, the source of salvation.  When Paul speaks to the Philippians about the Name of Jesus, he may have in mind the prostrations in the Temple at the Divine Name:

Phil. 2:10  At the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth …

It has never been the Christian tradition to pronounce the holy name “YHWH.”  Jesus and the Apostles practiced the Jewish piety of substituting “Lord” (‘adonai, kyrios, dominus) for the pronunciation of the Name.  For this reason, under the pontificate of Benedict XVI, the pronounced name “Yahweh” was removed from contemporary worship resources.  The sect of the Jehovah’s Witnesses insist on the pronunciation of the Name, although their form of pronunciation is erroneous, and there is nothing in Christian tradition or the New Testament to encourage such a practice.  For us, the saving name is now “Jesus,” and although full prostration at the pronunciation of the name of Jesus is impractical, Catholic piety dictates a bow of the head at the mention of the Holy Name.

2.  The Second Reading is Galatians 4:4-7:

Brothers and sisters:
When the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son,
born of a woman, born under the law,
to ransom those under the law,
so that we might receive adoption as sons.
As proof that you are sons,
God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts,
crying out, “Abba, Father!”
So you are no longer a slave but a son,
and if a son then also an heir, through God.

This Reading has ties to the Gospel, which emphasizes Mary’s role in Christ’s birth (“born of a woman”) as well as Jesus and his family being obedient Jews, faithful to the Old Covenant in submitting to circumcision (“born under the law.”)

This Reading also reminds us that Jesus calls us to Divine sonship (or childhood, if gender neutrality is desired).  Let’s not forget that this is unique to the Christian faith.  Christianity—unlike Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Atheism—is a religion about becoming children of God.  In Judaism, Divine childhood is metaphorical; in Islam, it is blasphemy.  In Eastern religions, it is irrelevant, because God is not ultimately a personal being, but rather an impersonal force or essence that animates all or simply is All.  Christianity alone holds out the possibility of familial intimacy with Creator as a son or daughter to a Father.

Let us also notice the close connection between the gift of the Holy Spirit and divine sonship.  From a legal perspective, it is the New Covenant that makes us children of God; from an ontological perspective, it is the Spirit that makes us children.  The sending of the Spirit “into our hearts,” as St. Paul says, is parallel to the inbreathing of the “breath of life” into the nostrils of Adam, causing him to become “a living being.”  So we are revivified by the Holy Spirit, as Adam was brought to life at the dawn of time.  Adam was king of the universe, as it says: “Have dominion over the over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth” (Gen 1:28).  The word “dominion” (Heb radah) evokes the context of kingly rule: later it will be used of Solomon’s imperial reign (1 Kings 4:24; Ps 72:8; 110:2; 2 Chr 8:10).  So the Holy Spirit makes us royalty in Christ: as St. Paul says, “no longer a slave but a son … also an heir, through God.”  No longer a slave to what?  Sin, death, and the devil.  If we live controlled by lusts, in fear of death, and swayed by the suggestions of Satan, than we are still slaves.  If we are free of these things, then we are walking in the Spirit, as children of God.  This is a theme in the First Epistle of John, which is read during daily mass all through the Christmas season.

4.  The Gospel is Luke 2:16-21:

The shepherds went in haste to Bethlehem and found Mary and Joseph,
and the infant lying in the manger.
When they saw this,
they made known the message
that had been told them about this child.
All who heard it were amazed
by what had been told them by the shepherds.
And Mary kept all these things,
reflecting on them in her heart.
Then the shepherds returned,
glorifying and praising God
for all they had heard and seen,
just as it had been told to them.

When eight days were completed for his circumcision,
he was named Jesus, the name given him by the angel
before he was conceived in the womb.

We note several things: Mary “kept all these things, reflecting on them in her heart.”  This is not only an historical indication of where St. Luke is getting his information about these events (so John Paul II [in his Wednesday audience of Jan. 28, 1987] and the Catholic tradition generally), but also a model of the contemplative vocation to which all Christians are called.  Especially during this Christmas season, up until the Baptism (Jan 13), we should carve out some time for quiet prayer, to meditate on the incredible events we celebrate and allow their meaning to sink into our hearts. 

Then we see the shepherds “glorifying and praising God for all they had heard and seen …”  This, too, describes the Christian’s vocation.  Pope Francis in particular has been calling us to return to the aspect of praise and joy that characterizes the disciple of Jesus.  Our faith is experiential, it is not just a philosophy.  It is an encounter with a person.  All of us should know what it means to come into contact with Jesus, to “hear and see” him.  In his First Epistle (which we are reading right now in daily mass), St. John sounds much like the shepherds:

1John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life —  2 the life was made manifest, and we saw it, and testify to it, and proclaim to you the eternal life which was with the Father and was made manifest to us —  3 that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you may have fellowship with us; and our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.  4 And we are writing this that our joy may be complete.

Observe the connection in this passage with “seeing” and “hearing” and the culmination in proclamation and joy.  This is what disciples of Jesus do: they experience Jesus and then proclaim in joy what they have encountered.

Finally, we see the naming of Jesus at his circumcision.  Christians no longer practice circumcision, because Baptism is the “circumcision of the heart” promised by Moses that surpasses physical circumcision (cf. Deut 10:16; 30:6; Acts 2:37; Col 2:11-12).  Yet at our Baptism, the “circumcision of our heart,” we still receive our Christian name.

The name given to Jesus is the Hebrew word y’shua, meaning “salvation.”  In the Old Testament, we are more familiar with the name under the form “Joshua,” who was an important type of Christ.  Just as Moses was unable to lead the people of Israel into the promised land, but Joshua did; so also Jesus is our New Joshua who takes us into the salvation to which Moses and his covenant could not lead us.

Salvation is now found in the Name of Jesus, because salvation means to enter into a relationship of childhood with God the Father.  It’s not that other great religious leaders (Mohammed, Buddha, Confucius etc.) claimed to be able to lead us into divine childhood, but couldn’t. It’s that they did not even claim to be able to do so.  Jesus is unique.  So Jesus says, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6).  This is not arrogance.  Jesus is the only great religious founder in human history to proclaim that God is a Father and we can become his children.  This concept of divine filiation is at the heart of the Gospel.  In a sense, it can be said to be the heart of the Gospel. 

On this Solemnity, let us give thanks to God that he has, through Jesus, made a way for us to become his children and receive a new name which he has given us (see Rev 2:17).  This intimate, personal relationship with God has been made possible by the cooperation of Mary, who became the mother of the one whose Name is Salvation. 


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To: HossB86

Why should I listen to any of the heretics you listed?


161 posted on 01/01/2016 8:12:08 PM PST by The Cuban
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To: Bayard
If we can say she is the mother of Jesus we can say that she is the Mother of God in the same way I can say God died on the cross for our sins.

Is she the mother of God the Father? Is she the mother of God the Spirit?

If she is the mother of God, then, by your logic, she must also be the mother of the Father and the Holy Spirit because they are also God....

But, as we know, she did NOT bear the Father or the Spirit, although they too are God. She bore Jesus. And yes, Jesus is God, but Mary cannot bear God. She bore Jesus, the human form taken by God the Son.

Your other issues are completely irrelevant to the question. Stop trying to invent them so. Its a poor excuse to dodge the real truth. You believe that Jesus is God, therefore you have to believe that Mary is the Mother of God.

No, I do not have to admit this, because to admit it is to admit to error. My question is essential: do you believe that Catholics and Muslims worship the same 'merciful God' or not? It is a simple matter. If you agree with Rome, then all of your arguments are moot and founded on heresy. If you disagree with Rome, then you are affirming that there is error in Rome's teaching. And if there is error in the CCC, then the teaching about Mary in the CCC can also be in error -- which means you could be in error as well.

Are you in agreement with Rome, or not concerning CCC 841? It's a simple yes or no question... why do you refuse to answer it?

Hoss

162 posted on 01/01/2016 8:12:59 PM PST by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: The Cuban
Why should I listen to any of the heretics you listed?

Why should I listen to the heresy and blasphemy of the Roman Catholic Church?

Hoss

163 posted on 01/01/2016 8:14:50 PM PST by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: HossB86
Why should I listen to the heresy and blasphemy of the Roman Catholic Church?

Just who is qualified to accuse the Catholic church of heresy and/or blasphemy??? Hoss

164 posted on 01/01/2016 8:19:56 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: HossB86

Why should I listen to any of the heretics you listed?


165 posted on 01/01/2016 8:23:08 PM PST by The Cuban
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To: HossB86
Is she the mother of God the Father? Is she the mother of God the Spirit?

She does not have to be mother of the other persons of the trinity to be the mother of God. This is essential to what it means to say one God in three distinct persons. The Son can be sent to be born to Mary (Gal 3:4).

Since Jesus is God that necessarily means that Mary is the Mother of God.

but Mary cannot bear God. She bore Jesus, the human form taken by God the Son.

Jesus humanity and divinity are unseparated and unmixed They are one reality in One distinct person of the Holy Trinity. You've got to grasp the distinctions here.Its not illogical it is entirely what actually happened.

The rest of your questions are not worth bothering an answer too since you still haven't understood Christianity at all yet. You've got questions making errors about the Holy Trinity, and errors about the person of Jesus. Why should we bother jumping into another long discussion until we have solved this most essential truth about Jesus and the Trinity and Mary the Blessed Mother of God? No. Its not worth it to get distracted.

166 posted on 01/01/2016 8:23:15 PM PST by Bayard
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To: terycarl

No. It’s catholic logic as I noted.


167 posted on 01/01/2016 8:31:13 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: terycarl

And the RCC did nothing to help them learn to read. I can understand why they didn’t.


168 posted on 01/01/2016 8:32:03 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

None of your business how anyone chooses to practice their religion.


169 posted on 01/01/2016 8:37:09 PM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: Bayard
She does not have to be mother of the other persons of the trinity to be the mother of God.

How so? Are you denying that the other persons of the trinity are God?

Jesus humanity and divinity are unseparated and unmixed

Which is it? Unseparated, meaning mixed, and unmixed meaning separated. Jesus IS God and man; but did the eternal God die on the Cross, or was it Christ's sinless humanity? If God died, is he God?

The rest of your questions are not worth bothering an answer too since you still haven't understood Christianity at all yet

They are essential because your Church teaches that Catholics believe in a false God. We can't begin to solve any issues until I know where YOU stand. Do you agree with Rome, and assent to CCC 841 that states Catholics and Muslims adore the same ' merciful God', thereby stating that you worship Allah, or do you dissent from Rome's teaching and deny that Catholics worship the same 'God' as Muslims, thereby admitting that the CCC is in error? Where do you stand? I AM Christian; I worship the one true, Triune, Living God.

Hoss

170 posted on 01/01/2016 9:37:57 PM PST by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: ealgeone

The focus on Mary has always been to emphasize the divinity of Jesus. The doctrine of the incarnation.


171 posted on 01/01/2016 9:43:16 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: terycarl
Just who is qualified to accuse the Catholic church of heresy and/or blasphemy??? Hoss

Anyone who can read God's Word. Because when one reads God's Word, one sees where Rome adds to the requirements of salvation; one sees the falsehoods taught as biblical when they are not.

In short, even a little child is qualified to accuse the Catholic Church of heresy -- child-like faith-- for even children can tell truth from fiction

Hoss

172 posted on 01/01/2016 9:44:34 PM PST by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: The Cuban

See 163; answered for you there.

Hoss


173 posted on 01/01/2016 9:45:42 PM PST by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: Iscool

Her seed.

What is Satan’s seed? Angels cannot reproduce.

Her seed refers to not only her Son, Jesus Christ, but also to His Church, his Mystical Body, of which He is the head. Jesus Himself refers many times to the reality of the Mystical Body of Christ, He is the vine, we are the branches, He is the head, we are the members, He is the Root of Jesse, etc....

Easy peasy to understand for those who have Faith.


174 posted on 01/01/2016 10:01:13 PM PST by blackpacific
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To: blackpacific; Iscool

The context of that passage from Genesis makes it quite clear who is the woman/her. It was talking about EVE. Satan has been at enmity with the human race since the human race began. It is Jesus - the God/man who will ultimately crush and put an end to the devil. This all started way before Mary was even born.


175 posted on 01/01/2016 10:25:55 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Tao Yin

Your post is wrong on so many counts.

For starters Jesus did not have ANY siblings. None. If you are so stupid to think that any man would go in where the Holy Spirit went first and violate that sacred space you are deceived by Satan himself. Think about how disgusting your view of Mary is, that some mere man would violate a perpetual virgin betrothed to the Holy Spirit? Are you willing to stand before the Holy Spirit and say, “I’m okay with that, yes, that’s the way it is?” Do you really know anything at all about what you are saying? Satan hates Mary because she was humble, pure, sinless, a perpetual virgin, betrothed to God Himself. He venom has become part of the protestant traditions of men.

I think rather it is you who have made the mistake of “injecting a personal opinion into scripture and using scripture to justify your belief.”

Many books have been written on the depth of meaning in those words Jesus spoke from the Cross while He hung in agony, fighting off suffocation by standing on a nail ripping through his feet. It was at that moment, “Woman Behold Thy Son”, that the prophecy of Simeon was fulfilled.

For those who have Faith, it is abundantly clear. For those who cling to some stunted caricature of christianity, no amount of wrestling with the meaning of the Scriptures produces any fruit. Which suits satan just fine. It’s why he invented so many confused labyrinth paths to ensnare many, to keep them from finding their way to the Mystical Body, to the Sacraments, to that communion of saints that Jesus said He would be with, always, even unto the end of the world.


176 posted on 01/01/2016 10:30:29 PM PST by blackpacific
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To: blackpacific

There’s also the little matter of matter of Mary being guilty of adultery if she slept with Joseph after giving herself to the Holy Spirit.


177 posted on 01/01/2016 11:00:37 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin; blackpacific
There’s also the little matter of matter of Mary being guilty of adultery if she slept with Joseph after giving herself to the Holy Spirit.

You two are going to make the anti-Catholics very angry if you keep presenting them with the facts in the form or truth. None of them like having their world view challenged, it makes them very uncomfortable.

178 posted on 01/02/2016 4:01:03 AM PST by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons.)
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To: terycarl
It never ceases to amaze me how people like you 20-80 years of age think that they are better able to interpret the bible than the doctors of the church

We don't interpret the Bible; we read the Bible. It's written to be easily understood.

You say that "doctors of the church" interpreted the Bible. So prove me wrong and the doctors right. Find a Bible and go through it with a fine-tooth comb. What are the chapters and verses the "doctors" found that address infant baptism, praying to Mary, purgatory, the rosary, a pope, confessing sins to a priest, last rites, etc.? Seriously; read the Bible if you believe the Bible.

Protestantism is a "scourge on humanity"? A bit offensive, don't you think? (I'm not even a Protestant.)

179 posted on 01/02/2016 4:50:15 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (TDS: Hating Trump more than loving America.)
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To: HossB86
Right.... the Apostles who KNEW Christ. There's nothing in the Bible that says you can make stuff up out of whole cloth either -- yet, the RCC manages that all of the time.

Paul illustrated what tradition is: "For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures. . . . Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed" (1 Cor. 15:3,11). The apostle praised those who followed Tradition: "I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you" (1 Cor. 11:2).

The first Christians "devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching" (Acts 2:42) long before there was a New Testament. From the very beginning, the fullness of Christian teaching was found in the Church as the living embodiment of Christ, not in a book. The teaching Church, with its oral, apostolic tradition, was authoritative. Paul himself gives a quotation from Jesus that was handed down orally to him: "It is more blessed to give than to receive" (Acts 20:35).

This saying is not recorded in the Gospels and must have been passed on to Paul. Indeed, even the Gospels themselves are oral tradition which has been written down (Luke 1:1-4). What's more, Paul does not quote Jesus only. He also quotes from early Christian hymns, as in Ephesians 5:14. These and other things have been given to Christians "through the Lord Jesus" (1 Thess. 4:2).

180 posted on 01/02/2016 5:28:57 AM PST by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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