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Mary, Mother of God
The Sacred Page ^ | December 29, 2015

Posted on 12/31/2015 4:29:48 PM PST by NYer

January 1 is the Solemnity (Holy Day) of Mary, Mother of God.  To call Mary the “Mother of God” must not be understood as a claim for Mary’s motherhood of divinity itself, but in the sense that Mary was mother of Jesus, who is truly God.  The Council of Ephesus in 431—long before the schisms with the Eastern churches and the Protestants—proclaimed “Mother of God” a theologically correct title for Mary. 


So far from being a cause of division, the common confession of Mary as “Mother of God” should unite all Christians, and distinguish Christian orthodoxy from various confusions of it, such as Arianism (the denial that Jesus was God) or Nestorianism (in which Mary mothers only the human nature of Jesus but not his whole person).

Two themes are present in the Readings for this Solemnity: (1) the person of Mary, and (2) the name of Jesus.   Why the name of Jesus? Prior to the second Vatican Council, the octave day of Christmas was the Feast of the Holy Name, not Mary Mother of God.  The legacy of that tradition can be seen in the choice of Readings for this Solemnity.  (The Feast of the Holy Name was removed from the calendar after Vatican II; St. John Paul II restored it as an optional memorial on January 3.  This year it is not observed in the U.S., because Epiphany falls on January 3.)

1.  The First Reading is Numbers 6:22-27:


The LORD said to Moses:
“Speak to Aaron and his sons and tell them:
This is how you shall bless the Israelites.
Say to them:
The LORD bless you and keep you!
The LORD let his face shine upon
you, and be gracious to you!
The LORD look upon you kindly and
give you peace!
So shall they invoke my name upon the Israelites,
and I will bless them.”

This Solemnity is one of the very few times that the Book of Numbers is read on a Lord’s Day or Feast Day.  Here’s a little background on the Book of Numbers:

The Book of Numbers is a little less neglected than Leviticus among modern Christian readers, if only because, unlike its predecessor, it combines its long lists of laws with a number of dramatic narratives about the rebellions of Israel against God in the wilderness, which create literary interest.  The name “Numbers” is, perhaps, already off-putting for the modern reader—it derives from the Septuagint name Arithmoi, “Numbers”, referring to the two numberings or censuses, one each of the first and second generations in the Wilderness, that form the pillars of the literary structure of the book in chs. 1 and 26.  The Hebrew name is bamidbar, “In the Wilderness,” which is an accurate description of the geographical and spiritual location of Israel throughout most of the narrative.
         The Book of Numbers has a strong literary relationship with its neighbors in the Pentateuch.  In many ways it corresponds with the Book of Exodus.  Exodus begins with the people staying in Egypt (Exodus 1-13), then describes their journey to through the desert (Exodus 14-19), and ends with them stationary at Sinai (20-36).  Numbers begins with the people staying at Sinai (Num 1-10), describes their journey through the desert (Num 11-25), and ends with them stationary on the Plains of Moab.  Sinai and the Plains of Moab correspond: at each location the people will receive a covenant (see below on Deuteronomy).  Furthermore, there are strong literary connections between the journeys through the Wilderness to and from Sinai (Ex 14-19; Num 11-25).  Both these sections are dominated by accounts of the people of Israel “murmuring” (Heb. lôn), “rebelling” (Heb. mārāh), or “striving” (Heb. rîb) against the LORD and/or Moses, together with Moses’ need for additional help to rule an unruly people (Ex 18; Num 11:16-39), and God’s miraculous provision for the people’s physical needs (Ex 15:22-17:7; Num 11:31-34; 20:1-13).  This is evidence of careful literary artistry: the central Sinai Narrative (Exod 20–Num 10) is surrounded by the unruly behavior of the people wandering in the desert.
         Numbers also has a close relationship with Leviticus.  If Leviticus established a sacred “constitution” for the life of Israel, exhibiting a logical, systematic order concluded, like a good covenant document, with a listing of blessings and curses (Lev 26), Numbers is more like a list of “amendments” to the “constitution,” together with accounts of the historical circumstances that led to their enactment.  And like the lists of amendments on many state and national constitutions, the laws have an ad hoc, circumstantial character, with little logical connection between successive “amendments.” 
         Finally, Numbers “sets the stage” for the Book of Deuteronomy, providing us the necessary information about Israel’s geographical and moral condition when they arrived at the “Plains of Moab opposite Jericho” in order to appreciate Moses’ extended homily and renewal of the covenant that he will deliver at this site in the final book of the Pentateuch.

The specific text we have in this First Reading is the famous Priestly Blessing of Numbers 6.  The formula for blessing given to the priests involves the invocation of the Divine Name (YHWH) three times over the people of Israel. 

A Brief Excursus on the Divine Name
“If they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say?” “God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM,” say … “I AM has sent me to you” (Ex 3:13-14).  The revelation of the divine Name to Moses (Ex 3:13-15) is one of the most theologically significant passages of the Old Testament.  By revealing himself as “I AM”, God distinguishes himself from the other gods of the nations, which “are not.”  He is the only God who truly is.  Furthermore, the name “I AM” stresses that God exists of himself; unlike all other beings he does not take his existence from some other cause.  Later philosophical language will describe God as the one necessary being.  While lacking technical philosophical language, the ancients did have the concept of self-existence: in Egyptian religion, the sun-god Amon-RÄ“ “came into being by himself” and all other beings took their existence from him.  However, God reveals to Moses that it is He, the LORD—not Amon-RÄ“ or any other Egyptian god—who is the ground of being and the source of existence. 

The actual word given to Israel to serve as the Name of God is spelled YHWH in the English equivalents of the Hebrew consonants. It is not the full phrase “I AM WHO I AM” but rather an archaic form of the Hebrew verb HYH, “to be,” with the meaning “HE IS.” Out of respect for the third commandment, Jews after the Babylonian exile (c. 597–537 BC) ceased to pronounce the divine name at all, but instead substituted the title “Lord,” in Hebrew adonai, in Greek kyrios.  Thus the God of Israel is called ho kyrios, “the Lord” in the New Testament.  This sheds light on the meaning of the phrase, “Jesus is Lord!” (Rom 10:9; 1 Cor 12:3).

The Hebrew language was written without vowels until around AD 700, when Jewish scribes developed a vowel-writing system.  The form YHWH, however, was written with the vowels for adonai, the word Jews actually pronounced.  The English translators of the King James Version did not understand this system, and in a few instances combined the Hebrew consonants of YHWH (called the tetragrammaton, lit. “the four letters”) with the Hebrew vowels of adonai to form the erroneous name “Jehovah.”  Catholic tradition addresses God with neither the mistaken form “Jehovah” nor the ancient pronunciation “Yahweh,” but uses “LORD” to refer to the God of Israel, in keeping with the practice of Jesus and the Apostles.  In most English Bibles, “LORD” in caps represents YHWH in the Hebrew text, while “Lord” in lower case represents the actual Hebrew word adonai.

The concept of “name” in Hebrew culture was of great significance.  The “name” represented the essence of the person, and invoking the name made the person mystically present.  Therefore, God will speak of the manifestation of his presence in the Temple as the “dwelling of his Name” in various places of the Old Testament.
The invocation of the Name of God over the people of Israel communicates God’s presence and Spirit to them at least a mediated way. 

In post-exilic Judaism, the Divine Name (YHWH) was seldom if ever pronounced, except on the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur), when the High Priest would make atonement for the whole nation in the Holy of Holies, and then exit the Temple in order to bless the assembled people in the Temple courts.  There, he would pronounce the blessing of Numbers 6, including the vocalization of the Divine Name.  Every time the people would hear the Name pronounced, they would drop prostrate on the ground.  This is recorded in Sirach:

Sir. 50:20 Then Simon came down, and lifted up his hands over the whole congregation of the sons of Israel, to pronounce the blessing of the Lord with his lips, and to glory in his name, and to glory in his name;  21 and they bowed down in worship a second time, to receive the blessing from the Most High.

Similar information is recorded in the Mishnah, the second-century AD collection of rabbinic tradition and teaching that become the basis of the legal system of modern Judaism.  So in the Mishnah, tractate Yoma 3:8 and 6:2:

And [when the people heard the four letter Name] they answer after [the High Priest]: “Blessed be the Name of His glorious Kingdom forever and ever”. (M. Yoma 3:8)

Then, the priests and the people standing in the courtyard, when they heard the explicit Name from the mouth of the High Priest, would bend their knees, bow down and fall on their faces, and they would say, "Blessed be the Honored Name of His Sovereignty forever!" (M. Yoma 6:2)

We read this passage of Scripture in today’s liturgy for a variety of reasons. 

First, we gather as God’s people around the world on this, the first day of the civil year, to ask from God his blessing upon us. 

Second, we commemorate (in the Gospel) the circumcision and naming of Jesus.  For us in the New Covenant, the Name of God continues to be a source of blessing and Divine Presence, but the name we are to use is no longer YHWH but “Jesus.”  Jesus is God’s Name, the source of salvation.  When Paul speaks to the Philippians about the Name of Jesus, he may have in mind the prostrations in the Temple at the Divine Name:

Phil. 2:10  At the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth …

It has never been the Christian tradition to pronounce the holy name “YHWH.”  Jesus and the Apostles practiced the Jewish piety of substituting “Lord” (‘adonai, kyrios, dominus) for the pronunciation of the Name.  For this reason, under the pontificate of Benedict XVI, the pronounced name “Yahweh” was removed from contemporary worship resources.  The sect of the Jehovah’s Witnesses insist on the pronunciation of the Name, although their form of pronunciation is erroneous, and there is nothing in Christian tradition or the New Testament to encourage such a practice.  For us, the saving name is now “Jesus,” and although full prostration at the pronunciation of the name of Jesus is impractical, Catholic piety dictates a bow of the head at the mention of the Holy Name.

2.  The Second Reading is Galatians 4:4-7:

Brothers and sisters:
When the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son,
born of a woman, born under the law,
to ransom those under the law,
so that we might receive adoption as sons.
As proof that you are sons,
God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts,
crying out, “Abba, Father!”
So you are no longer a slave but a son,
and if a son then also an heir, through God.

This Reading has ties to the Gospel, which emphasizes Mary’s role in Christ’s birth (“born of a woman”) as well as Jesus and his family being obedient Jews, faithful to the Old Covenant in submitting to circumcision (“born under the law.”)

This Reading also reminds us that Jesus calls us to Divine sonship (or childhood, if gender neutrality is desired).  Let’s not forget that this is unique to the Christian faith.  Christianity—unlike Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Atheism—is a religion about becoming children of God.  In Judaism, Divine childhood is metaphorical; in Islam, it is blasphemy.  In Eastern religions, it is irrelevant, because God is not ultimately a personal being, but rather an impersonal force or essence that animates all or simply is All.  Christianity alone holds out the possibility of familial intimacy with Creator as a son or daughter to a Father.

Let us also notice the close connection between the gift of the Holy Spirit and divine sonship.  From a legal perspective, it is the New Covenant that makes us children of God; from an ontological perspective, it is the Spirit that makes us children.  The sending of the Spirit “into our hearts,” as St. Paul says, is parallel to the inbreathing of the “breath of life” into the nostrils of Adam, causing him to become “a living being.”  So we are revivified by the Holy Spirit, as Adam was brought to life at the dawn of time.  Adam was king of the universe, as it says: “Have dominion over the over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth” (Gen 1:28).  The word “dominion” (Heb radah) evokes the context of kingly rule: later it will be used of Solomon’s imperial reign (1 Kings 4:24; Ps 72:8; 110:2; 2 Chr 8:10).  So the Holy Spirit makes us royalty in Christ: as St. Paul says, “no longer a slave but a son … also an heir, through God.”  No longer a slave to what?  Sin, death, and the devil.  If we live controlled by lusts, in fear of death, and swayed by the suggestions of Satan, than we are still slaves.  If we are free of these things, then we are walking in the Spirit, as children of God.  This is a theme in the First Epistle of John, which is read during daily mass all through the Christmas season.

4.  The Gospel is Luke 2:16-21:

The shepherds went in haste to Bethlehem and found Mary and Joseph,
and the infant lying in the manger.
When they saw this,
they made known the message
that had been told them about this child.
All who heard it were amazed
by what had been told them by the shepherds.
And Mary kept all these things,
reflecting on them in her heart.
Then the shepherds returned,
glorifying and praising God
for all they had heard and seen,
just as it had been told to them.

When eight days were completed for his circumcision,
he was named Jesus, the name given him by the angel
before he was conceived in the womb.

We note several things: Mary “kept all these things, reflecting on them in her heart.”  This is not only an historical indication of where St. Luke is getting his information about these events (so John Paul II [in his Wednesday audience of Jan. 28, 1987] and the Catholic tradition generally), but also a model of the contemplative vocation to which all Christians are called.  Especially during this Christmas season, up until the Baptism (Jan 13), we should carve out some time for quiet prayer, to meditate on the incredible events we celebrate and allow their meaning to sink into our hearts. 

Then we see the shepherds “glorifying and praising God for all they had heard and seen …”  This, too, describes the Christian’s vocation.  Pope Francis in particular has been calling us to return to the aspect of praise and joy that characterizes the disciple of Jesus.  Our faith is experiential, it is not just a philosophy.  It is an encounter with a person.  All of us should know what it means to come into contact with Jesus, to “hear and see” him.  In his First Epistle (which we are reading right now in daily mass), St. John sounds much like the shepherds:

1John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life —  2 the life was made manifest, and we saw it, and testify to it, and proclaim to you the eternal life which was with the Father and was made manifest to us —  3 that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you may have fellowship with us; and our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.  4 And we are writing this that our joy may be complete.

Observe the connection in this passage with “seeing” and “hearing” and the culmination in proclamation and joy.  This is what disciples of Jesus do: they experience Jesus and then proclaim in joy what they have encountered.

Finally, we see the naming of Jesus at his circumcision.  Christians no longer practice circumcision, because Baptism is the “circumcision of the heart” promised by Moses that surpasses physical circumcision (cf. Deut 10:16; 30:6; Acts 2:37; Col 2:11-12).  Yet at our Baptism, the “circumcision of our heart,” we still receive our Christian name.

The name given to Jesus is the Hebrew word y’shua, meaning “salvation.”  In the Old Testament, we are more familiar with the name under the form “Joshua,” who was an important type of Christ.  Just as Moses was unable to lead the people of Israel into the promised land, but Joshua did; so also Jesus is our New Joshua who takes us into the salvation to which Moses and his covenant could not lead us.

Salvation is now found in the Name of Jesus, because salvation means to enter into a relationship of childhood with God the Father.  It’s not that other great religious leaders (Mohammed, Buddha, Confucius etc.) claimed to be able to lead us into divine childhood, but couldn’t. It’s that they did not even claim to be able to do so.  Jesus is unique.  So Jesus says, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6).  This is not arrogance.  Jesus is the only great religious founder in human history to proclaim that God is a Father and we can become his children.  This concept of divine filiation is at the heart of the Gospel.  In a sense, it can be said to be the heart of the Gospel. 

On this Solemnity, let us give thanks to God that he has, through Jesus, made a way for us to become his children and receive a new name which he has given us (see Rev 2:17).  This intimate, personal relationship with God has been made possible by the cooperation of Mary, who became the mother of the one whose Name is Salvation. 


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To: metmom

I do KNOW that they do NOT agree completely.


I am more familiar with the Maronite Catholic Church than I am with any of the others.

The following statement from the website of St. Raymond’s Maronite Cathedral in St. Louis describes the relationship among the various Catholic churches that are in communion with each other.

“Saint Raymond’s Maronite Cathedral is one of the Catholic Churches in Saint Louis, Missouri. However, we are very unique in several respects from our sister churches here in Saint Louis.

“Many of our parishioners are of Arabic or Lebanese descent. You will find many families came over from the Middle East throughout the past 100 years. However, being Lebanese is not a requirement and anyone who loves our ancient Maronite tradition is encouraged to join our church.

“We have a unique Liturgy compared to our sister churches. While our Liturgical Language is Aramic, our church has both English and Arabic Speakers. If you only speak English or only Arabic you should have no trouble participating in our Liturgy.

“We are of the Maronite Tradition. Fully Catholic but different from Roman Catholic, but in full communion with Rome. Meaning that Roman Catholics can fully participate in our Mass and receive the Eucharist.

“The Maronite Church is one of many churches which are from Eastern and Western Catholic traditions.

“Catholic: Member of one holy apostolic church.

“Western: Originating in the ancient see of Rome

“Eastern: Originating in ancient sees of Antioch, Alexandria and Constantinople

“As Jesus commissioned the apostles to go into the world and make disciples of all nations, the early church grew and spread out from Jerusalem. It experienced other traditions, cultures, customs, languages, art forms, architecture and music. Eastern and Western Christians expressed the same basic truths of their Catholic faith in unique ways and worshiped differently.

“There are over 750 million Catholics (Eastern and Western) in the world. Nearly 2 million Catholics of the Eastern Churches live in the United States.

“All Catholics share three important things:
- Apostolic Faith
- Mysteries/Sacraments
- Unity with Pope (Successor of Peter)

“A Church is not the same as a rite. Within the Catholic Church there are 22 autonomous churches, each of which follows one of the 6 major rites.”

http://straymondsmaronitecathedral.com/page10.php


1,602 posted on 01/09/2016 11:21:22 AM PST by rwa265
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To: metmom

Here’s another statement, this from the website of Nativity Ukrainian Church in Eugene, OR.

“Ukrainian Catholic Church

“Eastern Christianity took a firm root in Ukraine in 989 when Vladimir, Prince of Kiev, embraced the Christian Faith and was baptized. Soon afterwards many missionaries from the Byzantine Empire arrived, having been sent by the Patriarch of Constantinople to preach the Gospel.

“When the Church of Rome and the Church of Constantinople severed ties with one another in the 11th century, the Church in Ukraine gradually followed suit and finally gave up the bonds of unity with Rome. When Ukrainian Orthodox bishops met at a council in Brest-Litovsk in 1595, seven bishops decided to re-establish communion with Rome. Guaranteed that their Byzantine tradition and Liturgy would be respected and recognized by Rome, they and many priests and lay faithful were re-united with the See of Rome, while others continued to remain Orthodox.

“In the 19th century many Ukrainian Catholics began to emigrate to North America, bringing their pastors, traditions and liturgy to Canada and the United States. Under Communist rule, Catholics in Ukraine were persecuted, with many being imprisoned and murdered; in 1945 all the Ukrainian Catholic bishops were arrested or killed.

“Today the Ukrainian Catholic Church is the largest Eastern Catholic Church, with about 5 million faithful. It is led by His Beatitude Sviatoslav (Shevchuk), Major Archbishop of Kyiv-Galicia. His election was confirmed by Pope Benedict XVI on 25 March 2011.”


1,603 posted on 01/09/2016 11:37:39 AM PST by rwa265
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To: The Cuban
Those aren’t different “faiths”.

They are just as different as the 30,000 Protestant denominations that you guys say exist...

1,604 posted on 01/09/2016 11:48:40 AM PST by Iscool (Izlam and radical Izlam are different the same way a wolf and a wolf in sheeps clothing are differen)
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To: The Cuban; metmom; Elsie
No your interpretation is Protestant Gibberish. Nothing in that passage contradicts Catholic doctrine no matter how much you wish it would.

And he knew her not till she brought forth her first born son: and he called his name Jesus.

What interpretation??? It have a third grade Granddaughter who could understand that verse as it's written...It doesn't need any interpretation...

Obviously you mean you don't believe what it says...Or probably you don't care what it says, you go with what your religion wants it to say...

But yes, that verse alone destroys the false idea that Mary was a perpetual virgin...

Doesn't matter how long you hold your hands over your eyes and scream that you can't see it, it means what it says...

1,605 posted on 01/09/2016 11:59:11 AM PST by Iscool (Izlam and radical Izlam are different the same way a wolf and a wolf in sheeps clothing are differen)
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To: Iscool

Selah


1,606 posted on 01/09/2016 12:05:25 PM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: verga; Elsie

The guidelines of the Religion Forum are clear that there are multiple reasons for removing a post

http://www.freerepublic.com/~religionmoderator/


1,607 posted on 01/09/2016 12:06:06 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: The Cuban; metmom
Making baseless claims and pointing to a random and irrelevant Bible passages for support while ignoring directly contradictory passages (along with bibliolatry and heresy) is what I’ve come to expect from you guys.

That's a false claim by you...

1,608 posted on 01/09/2016 12:09:02 PM PST by Iscool (Izlam and radical Izlam are different the same way a wolf and a wolf in sheeps clothing are differen)
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To: rwa265

So if Protestants did that, they’d be counted as different denominations and used as an example of the short comings of sola Scripture, part of that alleged 30,000 different denominations because of allegedly 30,000 different interpretations of Scripture,

The rationale being that they split because they interpreted Scripture differently, therefore YOPIOS is not valid.

We should all be under the teaching authority of ONE denomination, which does not allow for doctrinal differences, that you just showed me exist within Catholicism.

The same thing happens, and yet when it’s within Catholicism, it displays the alleged unity of the Catholic faith and when it happens within Protestantism, it shows the alleged inadequacy of depending on Scripture alone and the leading of the Holy Spirit.

That is not consistent to apply two standards to both systems of faith.


1,609 posted on 01/09/2016 12:18:02 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Iscool; Elsie; metmom
Of course you're right, but I got a bigger chuckle out of the --how was that put-- 'Born Againers'. The spiritual things are foolishness to those who are perishing, so they call us what they think is a slur. LOL We had Mormons calling us names a decade ago ... eh Elsie? Use the decoder ring!

ModernCatholicism and Mormonism and Islam have something really simple in common ... their father..

Oh well

1,610 posted on 01/09/2016 12:20:25 PM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN; metmom; Elsie

***’Born Againers’***

They also call us “the born agains”

It’s their way of calling us Christians, they just don’t know that is what they are doing.


1,611 posted on 01/09/2016 12:35:07 PM PST by Syncro (James 1:8- A double minded man is unstable in all his ways-- Holy Bible)
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To: MHGinTN; Iscool; Elsie; Syncro

They think they’re dissing us but it’s what Jesus told us what MUST happen for anyone to have eternal life.

They’re mocking the very words of Jesus, which they claim stand above all other written Scripture.

But then again, they disobey other clear, concise commands of Jesus so this is not a surprise to me.


1,612 posted on 01/09/2016 12:45:54 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: MHGinTN; Iscool; Elsie; Syncro

Yeah, I’ve been born again/born from above, which is the same thing, and anyone who has knows it.

If someone is not sure if they’ve been regenerated, then they haven’t.

You cannot have the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit and not know it.


1,613 posted on 01/09/2016 12:47:28 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

I suppose one could quibble on whether or not the different traditions, liturgy, etc., are doctrinal differences, but what is indisputable is that the churches are in communion with one another under the authority of the Pope.

As I hope you know, I am not one of those who point out doctrinal differences among the various Protestant denominations, and I believe many of them do share the same basic truths.

I have attended many Protestant services over the years; services with my Methodist Mom, baptisms of nieces and nephews at Lutheran churches, my sister’s wedding and a cousin’s wedding at Methodist churches, my brother’s wedding and my son’s wedding at Presbyterian churches, my Mom’s funeral at a mortuary, a cousin’s funeral at a Baptist church, dedications for two of my grandkids at a Christian church, and services at different churches that my daughter attended as she was searching for a church. Sure, there were differences, but I was impressed with how, at all of these churches, we were praising the same God in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Peace,
Rich


1,614 posted on 01/09/2016 1:18:47 PM PST by rwa265
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To: rwa265

Yes, I know that you don’t do that.

There are not as many doctrinal differences between Protestant denominations as is presented. I’ve posted the statements of faith of several different Protestant denominations several times and invited Catholics to read them and show us what the differences are and all I ever get are....

***crickets***.

Protestant churches to not see the need to be under one governing body to be in line with Scripture.

And much of what is pointed out as doctrinal differences and has been questioned as differing interpretations, falls under the heading of *disputable matters* that Paul addressed in Romans 14.

God does not demand adherence to one central governing head with one doctrinal statement of faith.

He allows for matters of conscience in areas that are not matters that affect one’s salvation.

So some people can shun dancing and drinking, and others don’t care. But that hardly builds a case against sola Scriptura.


1,615 posted on 01/09/2016 1:41:04 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: rwa265

Christians see their unity as being in Christ, not adhering to doctrinal positions.

Christ saved me and that’s all I need to know.

Anyone else He saved is my brother or sister in Christ, regardless of where they choose to fellowship, what denomination they adhere to, whether I even like them or not.

The unity is in a Person, not a belief system.


1,616 posted on 01/09/2016 1:45:00 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom; daniel1212; Elsie

Keep up the good work.


1,617 posted on 01/09/2016 2:56:05 PM PST by Mark17 (Thank God I have Jesus, there's more wealth in my soul than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold)
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To: The Cuban
I read English not Protestant gibberish.

But what do you write?

1,618 posted on 01/09/2016 3:04:05 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
I guess you are confusing them with the facts.

Well; if a person is not well grounded in the basics...

1,619 posted on 01/09/2016 3:04:59 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

Ah...

but that Scripture got written LONG after Onan got the big zot from the sky!


1,620 posted on 01/09/2016 3:06:10 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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