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The Old Testament: Was Israel Commanded to Commit Genocide?
CRI ^ | By: Paul Copan and Matthew Flannagan

Posted on 11/20/2015 1:24:30 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Have you ever been in a discussion with a skeptic about God and morality? Perhaps you've admirably made the case that God's good character is the basis for human dignity and worth. Maybe you've shown how objective moral values and duties can't be explained naturalistically. Then someone takes the wind out of your sails by asking, "Well, if God is so good, why would He command Israel to engage in ethnic cleansing and genocidal warfare against the Canaanites? After all, doesn't Deuteronomy 20:16-17 plainly state this? 'Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. But you shall utterly destroy them…as the Lord your God has commanded you.'"1 No matter how strongly the believer makes the case for the God-morality connection, this good argument can become overshadowed by the Canaanite question.

So what do we do? By all means, stick with the argument of how God's existence makes better sense of a moral world in which intrinsically valuable persons exist! Yet we should be prepared to address this "genocide" question, which has gotten a lot more press since 9/11. "Religious radicalism" has emboldened New Atheists such as Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, who attack "the God of the Old Testament." In our own experience, the Canaanite question is emerging with increasing frequency, and we will point out key response points.

First, we should avoid using the misleading statement "taking the Bible literally." We don't (and shouldn't) always take it literally. We should always take it literarily. That is, we should treat the Bible's types of literature (genres)--poetry, historical narrative, apocalypse, prophecy, parable--as they were intended to be interpreted. We can't apply a one size-fits-all approach to each of them. This is particularly important for interpreting the Old Testament's war texts properly--in their ancient Near Eastern setting.

Second, the sweeping language of these warfare texts such as Joshua (as well as Numbers 31 and 1 Samuel 15) occurs in highly figurative, hyperbolic accounts--quite common in the ancient Near East. This kind of "utterly destroyed" bravado was common in ancient Near Eastern war texts. Biblical scholars and archaeologists (e.g., K. Lawson Younger, Kenneth Kitchen) have recognized the pervasive use of hyperbolic language--"boasting" about "total destruction"--in ancient Near Eastern warfare literature. Victories were often described hyperbolically in terms of total conquest, complete annihilation, and destruction of the enemy, killing everyone and leaving no survivors. One Moabite king wrote of his defeat of Israel, "Israel is no more." The knowing ancient Near Eastern reader recognized that this was massive hyperbole, and the accounts were not understood to be literally true. This language was like a basketball team saying of their opponents, "We totally slaughtered them!"

Third, the contrast between "utterly destroying" and leaving ample survivors is fairly obvious. In the biblical canon, Joshua is connected not only to Judges 1-2 (where lots of Canaanite survivors remain alive after Joshua "left no survivors"!), but also to Numbers and Deuteronomy. And Judges reveals that this widespread killing never literally happened, since there were swarms of Canaanites remaining. Even within Joshua we read, "There were no Anakim left in the land" (11:22); they were "utterly destroyed" in the hill country (11:21). Yet later in Joshua, Caleb asked permission to drive out the Anakites from the hill country (14:12-15; cf. 15:13-19). Joshua's military campaign in Canaan simply wasn't a territorial conquest, but a series of disabling raids.

In Numbers 31 (after Midianite women had intentionally seduced the men of Israel), we're told, "[Israel] fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man" (NIV, emphasis added). If literally true, why do we see Midianite multitudes in Judges 6:5? They were "like swarms of locusts. It was impossible to count them or their camels" (6:5 NIV). Also, the language is exaggerated in that every Midianite man was killed without a single Israelite fatality (Num. 31:50).

In 1 Samuel 15, Saul was commanded to "utterly destroy" the Amalekites. Stereotypical sweeping language was used: "Put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey" (15:3). On a literal reading, Saul carried this out--except for King Agag, who would meet his doom through the prophet Samuel (vv.7-9, 33). Yet this didn't literally happen; the Amalekites were far from destroyed.

Exaggerated language is abundant. For instance, Saul's army was numbered at 210,000--far larger than any army of antiquity. This was common in ancient Near Eastern war texts. In 1 Samuel 27:8-9, the same sweeping language of Chapter 15 is used: all Amalekites were wiped out--again! We're told David invaded a territory full of Amalekites--the same territory covered by Saul. (Shur is near Egypt and Havilah is in Saudi Arabia--an area far too wide for Saul's army to cover.) So, 1 Samuel 15 and 27 cannot both be literally true. What's more, in 1 Samuel 30, a large Amalekite army attacked Ziklag (v. 1), and David pursued this army and fought a long battle with them, with four hundred Amalekites fleeing (1 Sam. 30:7-17). That's not all: the Amalekites were even around during the reign of Hezekiah (1 Chron. 4:43).

So here's the question: Why is it that virtually every time a narration of "genocide" occurs, it is followed by an account that presupposes it did not happen? Scripture took shape, and the Old Testament canon was formed. The final compiler or editor--who was certainly not mindless--saw no problem with side-by-side affirmations of "total destruction" and many surviving hostiles. He didn't assume both to be literally true.

Fourth, the dominant language of "driving out" and "thrusting out" the Canaanites indicates further that "extermination" passages are hyperbolic (cf. Exod. 23:28; Lev. 18:24; Num. 33:52: Deut. 6:19; 7:1; 9:4; 18:12; Josh. 10:28, 30, 32, 35, 37, 39; 11:11, 14). Israel was to "dispossess" the Canaanites of their land (Num. 21:32; Deut. 9:1; 11:23; 18:14; 19:1). Just as Adam and Eve were "driven out" of the garden (Gen. 3:24), or Cain into the wilderness (4:14), or David from Israel by Saul (1 Sam. 26:19), so the Israelites were to "dispos- sess" the Canaanites. "Driving out" or "dispossessing" is different from "wiping out" or "destroying." Clearly, utter annihilation was not intended; you can't both drive out and destroy.

Fifth, the biblical language of the Canaanite "destruction" is identical to that of Judah's destruction in the Babylonian exile--clearly not utter annihilation or even genocide. Indeed, God threatened to "vomit" out Israel from the land just as he had vomited out the Canaanites (Lev. 18:25, 28; 20:22). In the Babylonian invasion of Judah (sixth-century BC), God threatened to "lay waste the towns of Judah so no one can live there" (Jer. 9:11 NIV). Indeed, God said, "I will completely destroy them and make them an object of horror and scorn, and an everlasting ruin" (Jer. 25:9 NIV). God "threatened to stretch out My hand against you and destroy you" (Jer. 15:6; cf. Ezek. 5:16)--to bring "disaster" against Judah (Jer. 6:19). The biblical text, supported by archaeological discovery, suggests that while Judah's political and religious structures were ruined and that Judahites died in the conflict, the urban elite were deported to Babylon while many "poor of the land" remained behind to inhabit the towns of Judah. Clearly, Judah's being "completely destroyed" and made an "everlasting ruin" (Jer. 25:9) was a significant literary exaggeration--which reinforces our point about the Canaanite "destruction."

Sixth, "Joshua obeyed all that Moses commanded" (Josh. 9:24; 11:12), and yet Joshua left many survivors. It only follows, then, that in Deuteronomy 20 Moses did not literally intend for no survivors to be left.

Why should the critic take the passage in Deuteronomy literally but not the passages in Joshua? If he took the latter literally it would be easier for him to see that in context the former is using hyperbole and should not be taken literally.


TOPICS: History; Judaism; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: atheism; canaanites; genocide; israel; lookwhohatesjews; sectarianturmoil
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1 posted on 11/20/2015 1:24:30 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The New Testament fulfilled the Old Testament.

Christianity is not about the Old Testament, but the New Testament.

http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/how-christ-fulfilled-and-ended-the-old-testament-regime


2 posted on 11/20/2015 1:27:07 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Is the pope Catholic?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Seventh: Cultures can attain a level of sinfulness that requires God to judge them so severely that they are wiped out.


3 posted on 11/20/2015 1:28:38 PM PST by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: SeekAndFind
Seventh, archaeology confirms the biblical record's account of a gradual infiltration rather than a massive military assault against the Canaanites. This was a development that took more than two centuries to accomplish. This being the case, all tangible aspects of the Canaanites' culture -- buildings and homes -- would have remained very much intact (cf. Deut. 6:10-11: "cities which you did not build"). Preserving such structures would have been a very sensible move if Israel was to settle down in the same region. Archaeologists have discovered that by 1000 BC (during the Iron Age), Canaanites were no longer an identifiable entity in Israel. Around this time also, Israelites were worshiping a national God, whose dominant personal name was Yahweh ("the Lord"). An additional significant change from the Late Bronze to Iron Age was that town shrines in Canaan had been abandoned but not relocated elsewhere -- say, to the hill villages. This suggests that a new people with a distinct theological bent had migrated there, had gradually occupied the territory, and eventually became dominant.

Thus, the critic's strategy of emphasizing literal Canaanite annihilation while ignoring literal Canaanite survival is simply inconsistent. —Paul Copan and Matthew Flannagan

Paul Copan, Ph.D., is Professor and Pledger Family Chair of Philosophy and Ethics at Palm Beach Atlantic University and is author of Is God a Moral Monster? Making Sense of the Old Testament God (Baker 2011).

Matthew Flannagan, Ph.D., has authored various articles and contributed to various books, including Set Forth Your Case (B&H Academic, forthcoming), and he and his wife Madeleine write the blog M and M, www.mandm.org.nz.


NOTES

  1. All Scripture quotations are from the NASB unless otherwise noted.

 


4 posted on 11/20/2015 1:29:30 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Sure. God himself committed global genocide.

He will be forced to do it again. Soon.

5 posted on 11/20/2015 1:29:33 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,)
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To: Norm Lenhart; TADSLOS; BenLurkin; Gondring; Lazamataz; Tax-chick; beaversmom
By The Rivers Of Babylon.

Joshua Graham (The Malpais Legate) Ping~!

6 posted on 11/20/2015 1:30:03 PM PST by KC_Lion (The fences are going up all over Europe. We shall not see them down again in our lifetime.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s a losing argument. The God of the OT habitually wreaked havoc and death on many for the crimes of the few. Sodom, Gomorrah, and the Flood to name the best known. If you want to interpret that as just so much poetry, it’s fair to ask how much of the rest is just poetry.


7 posted on 11/20/2015 1:30:46 PM PST by sparklite2 (Islam = all bathwater, no baby.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Christianity is not about the Old Testament, but the New Testament.

Try that line of reasoning on a young earth creationist and see how long it works for you.

8 posted on 11/20/2015 1:32:20 PM PST by Eric Pode of Croydon (I wish someone would tell me what "diddy wah diddy" means....)
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To: Fai Mao

God does not want his children born into the homes of the wicked.


9 posted on 11/20/2015 1:34:42 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: SeekAndFind

These people that Israel was ordered to destroy were evil in a way that modern man (who has the luxury of living in a world that contains a huge number of people who have the Holy Spirit indwelling).

We think that we cannot coexist with radical islam or Progressives, but these tribes are those two tribes times a thousand! Israel could not move in nearby and expect to survive. Even if they didn’t attack Israel, their evil was so pervasive that it would have poisoned Israel with paganism and human sacrifice based religion.

Remember that at this point in human history, God had selected Israel to be the people who would introduce the one, true, living God to a world full of people that worshiped just about anything. They were not only the heralds, but they were destined to be the success story that would lead others to look at them and say, “Wow. Their God really is great.”

But to do that, they needed to clear the immediate area of these fundamentally evil tribes, and you can’t stress this one fact enough: we have NEVER seen people this evil in our world. Most of us can’t imagine what they were like because we can only imagine a world that has the Holy Spirit at work in people of all nations.


10 posted on 11/20/2015 1:35:08 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: SeekAndFind

This author is a postmodernist. His analysis is garbage.


11 posted on 11/20/2015 1:36:05 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Well, if God is so good, why would He command Israel to engage in ethnic cleansing and genocidal warfare against the Canaanites"?

Because HE IS God and HE can do, and command, whatever HE pleases.
Disregarding the fact that the Canaanites were engaged in bestiality, homosexuality, infant murder (gee...other than the first one, this sounds uncomfortably familiar), and other abominations - to the point that the land was ready to 'spew them out' - God can do with His Creation as HE pleases.

So around 1450 B.C. to around 1430 B.C. it was bad times for the Canaanites. And then around 400 years later Saul got the instructions to put a hit on the Amalakites (the Hyksos people that 'disappeared' from history?).

Call it a 'clean up on Aisle 4'.
Why the interest in limited 'purges' that were commanded and executed over three millennium ago?
There is an even 'messier' (and eternal) Judgment pending for those not In Christ. That should be the concern. Repeated warnings from the Creator should not be ignored.

12 posted on 11/20/2015 1:37:21 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: SeekAndFind

I always wondered how a just God could order the Hebrews to kill the children of Jericho (Children of Jericho would be a great name for a metal band though).


13 posted on 11/20/2015 1:38:48 PM PST by Hugin ("First thing--get yourself a firearm!" Sheriff Ed Galt, Last Man Standing.)
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To: Bryanw92
we have NEVER seen people this evil in our world

FWIW, Savange was camparing the latest iteration of evil to the Mongols and Huns. Seemed like a fair comparison.

14 posted on 11/20/2015 1:39:52 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Tony Schwartz and Meredith McIver, a couple of dam* fine authors...)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

>>FWIW, Savange was camparing the latest iteration of evil to the Mongols and Huns. Seemed like a fair comparison.

Even the Mongols and Huns are pussycats compared to the people that God commanded Israel to destroy. But they are a good comparison to the evil of islam and Progressives.


15 posted on 11/20/2015 1:42:18 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s also that Israel didn’t start most battles. They were attacked first, in most cases.


16 posted on 11/20/2015 1:44:15 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for posting. I learned a lot.


17 posted on 11/20/2015 1:46:45 PM PST by edwinland
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To: Bryanw92
...and Progressives.

No kidding.

18 posted on 11/20/2015 1:47:30 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Tony Schwartz and Meredith McIver, a couple of dam* fine authors...)
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To: SeekAndFind

If am atheist refuses to ask God who he is, then no human being can teach him either. He doesn’t really want to know.

But there is no way I will change the word of God to satisfy an arogant article author, either.

Finally, if Jezues is God, then he is also the God of the old testament, and was the giver of the law at Sinai...and he hasn’t changed. He followed his own laws. He said w3 should follow him, right? Conundrum.


19 posted on 11/20/2015 1:51:16 PM PST by PrairieLady2
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To: Hugin

RE: I always wondered how a just God could order the Hebrews to kill the children of Jericho

A SPECIFIC ( non-repeatable ) example of God using His people as an instrument of judgment.

BTW, God also uses those who are NOT His people to judge His people ( See the Babylonians, Assyrians and Romans ).

Next question — Why Women and Children?

My answer would be — better leave this to God’s infinite wisdom.

Sometimes, it is better for a child to die and be with God than to grow up to be a violent, cruel warrior.


20 posted on 11/20/2015 1:51:46 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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