[Bryanw92]

I was watching the mass on Fox News, seeing all the unintelligible pageantry that the humble man raised by a carpenter would have abhorred.

And I thanked God that, in his good time, he gave us Martin Luther to straighten out this mess.

[jtal]

And I thanked God that, in his good time, he gave us Martin Luther to straighten out this mess.

Why did he wait 1500 years?

[Mrs. Don-o]

"...all the unintelligible pageantry that the humble man raised by a carpenter would have abhorred."

You're pretty much an expert on what Jesus would have abhorred? Jesus abhorred what millions of his Saints for 20 centuries, with all the love and devotion in their hearts, have loved?

I guess that Temple incident was because He hated all that hoity-toity set-apart solemnity stuff? Wanted things more street-level practical, eh?

[wideawake]

"Unintelligible pageantry"?

Do you think the Lord never went up for the temple sacrifices or never celebrated Purim or never participated in the festivities of Simchat Torah?

Do you really think that sitting in an air-conditioned auditorium thumbing through a copy of The Purpose Driven Life while a miked-up guy sings a pop song in front of a big HD screen with lyrics on it is "humble" or would be intelligible to a first century Judaean?

Your prejudices are clouding your thinking.

[vladimir998]

“I was watching the mass on Fox News, seeing all the unintelligible pageantry that the humble man raised by a carpenter would have abhorred.”

Ha! You’ve never read the Book of Revelation have you? There’s plenty of pageantry to the worship in heaven - and what was in the Mass today was perfectly intelligible to those who believe in Christ.

[Biggirl]

.....And maybe, just maybe the Latin of the mass brings in a form of UNITY that is so very much is needed.

[Hieronymus]

Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Iceland are your idea of straightened out?

[Steelfish]

Thank God Martin Luther disintegrated into 30,000 different brands of Protestantism that many of its scholars and theologians have converted to Catholicism leaving behind the fools stranded on ships that accept married gay ministers and the tenets of Joel Osteen and other hucksters.

[af_vet_1981]

And I thanked God that, in his good time, he gave us Martin Luther to straighten out this mess.

False: false witness, false gospel, false prophet, false apostle

Luther did publish a blueprint for the Holocaust, which the Germans adopted from their elder statesman and implemented, murdering six million Jews.

Martin Luther - "The Jews & Their Lies" (1543)
1. First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly ­ and I myself was unaware of it ­ will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.
2. Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.
3. Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. (remainder omitted)
4. Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. For they have justly forfeited the right to such an office by holding the poor Jews captive with the saying of Moses (Deuteronomy 17 [:10 ff.]) in which he commands them to obey their teachers on penalty of death, although Moses clearly adds: "what they teach you in accord with the law of the Lord." Those villains ignore that. They wantonly employ the poor people's obedience contrary to the law of the Lord and infuse them with this poison, cursing, and blasphemy. In the same way the pope also held us captive with the declaration in Matthew 16 {:18], "You are Peter," etc, inducing us to believe all the lies and deceptions that issued from his devilish mind. He did not teach in accord with the word of God, and therefore he forfeited the right to teach.
5. Fifth, I advise that safe­conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let they stay at home. (...remainder omitted).
6. Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping. The reason for such a measure is that, as said above, they have no other means of earning a livelihood than usury, and by it they have stolen and robbed from us all they possess. Such money should now be used in no other way than the following: Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed one hundred, two hundred, or three hundred florins, as personal circumstances may suggest. With this he could set himself up in some occupation for the support of his poor wife and children, and the maintenance of the old or feeble. For such evil gains are cursed if they are not put to use with God's blessing in a good and worthy cause.
7. Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow, as was imposed on the children of Adam (Gen 3[:19]}. For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting, and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.

* * * But what will happen even if we do burn down the Jews' synagogues and forbid them publicly to praise God, to pray, to teach, to utter God's name? They will still keep doing it in secret. If we know that they are doing this in secret, it is the same as if they were doing it publicly. for our knowledge of their secret doings and our toleration of them implies that they are not secret after all and thus our conscience is encumbered with it before God.

* * *

Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My advice, as I said earlier, is:

First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss in sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire. That would demonstrate to God our serious resolve and be evidence to all the world that it was in ignorance that we tolerated such houses, in which the Jews have reviled God, our dear Creator and Father, and his Son most shamefully up till now but that we have now given them their due reward.

* * *

I wish and I ask that our rulers who have Jewish subjects exercise a sharp mercy toward these wretched people, as suggested above, to see whether this might not help (though it is doubtful). They must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in, proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did in the wilderness, slaying three thousand lest the whole people perish. They surely do not know what they are doing; moreover, as people possessed, they do not wish to know it, hear it, or learn it. There it would be wrong to be merciful and confirm them in their conduct. If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs, so that we do not become partakers of their abominable blasphemy and all their other vices and thus merit God's wrath and be damned with them. I have done my duty. Now let everyone see to his. I am exonerated. "