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To: amessenger4god

Please clarify this for me.

Do you believe that - if you were to commit murder and did not repent of it before death - you would still go to heaven because you are ‘saved’?

It’s a heck of a rhetorical question, I know.


22 posted on 08/17/2015 11:10:54 AM PDT by agere_contra (Hamas has dug miles of tunnels - but no bomb-shelters.)
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To: agere_contra

Sorry guys, my client is here. Sorry to disappear like this.

God bless us all.


24 posted on 08/17/2015 11:12:09 AM PDT by agere_contra (Hamas has dug miles of tunnels - but no bomb-shelters.)
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To: agere_contra

“Do you believe that - if you were to commit murder and did not repent of it before death - you would still go to heaven because you are ‘saved’?”

Thank you for the question. Yes, if the person was truly saved by accepting the Gospel. The Gospel is either true or it isn’t. Jesus either died for ALL of your sins, or none of your sins.

However, you mention “repentance”, and I believe no truly saved person could die unrepentant anyway.

Many Christians claim to be under grace yet justify their sin by saying it is not sin (i.e. homosexual “married” Christians, gay ordination, pornography in marriage, etc). I would say these are not saved because they have effectually rejected the need for God’s forgiveness over some part of the life.

Jesus is clear, you either let Jesus clean you or you remain unclean. http://biblehub.com/john/13-8.htm


28 posted on 08/17/2015 11:37:06 AM PDT by amessenger4god
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To: agere_contra
Do you believe that - if you were to commit murder and did not repent of it before death - you would still go to heaven because you are ‘saved’?

AHHhhh...

the old 'hand in the cookie jar' conundrum.


Do you believe that - if you were to take a pencil home from work and did not repent of it before death - you would still go to heaven because you are ‘saved’?

85 posted on 08/17/2015 3:15:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: agere_contra
Do you believe that - if you were to commit murder and did not repent of it before death - you would still go to heaven because you are ‘saved’>

Take it to the level Christ did.....if you lust in your heart you've committed adultery....if you have such hatred toward someone and you wish they were dead....you've committed murder.

Jesus was emphasizing the mind/thoughts of a person beyond the physical act.

Can you lead that kind of a perfect life where you have no errant thoughts......ever....not one....not even a little one? In this passage there are no mortal or venial sins....it covers all sins.

This is why Paul writes in Ephesians 2:1 that "you were dead in your trespasses and sins." (NASB) Trespasses in the Greek means a lapse, slip, false step. The wrong doing can be non-deliberate.

Later in verse 4-5 he writes, "But God being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved).

96 posted on 08/17/2015 4:44:42 PM PDT by ealgeone
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