Posted on 08/16/2015 9:27:26 AM PDT by marshmallow
The Orthodox Patriarchate of Constantinople has convened an assembly of all the bishops of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, to be held August 29- September 2.
The main purpose of the meeting will be to prepare for a Pan-Orthodox Council, which is scheduled to take place in 2016. If it occurs on schedule, the Council would be an unprecedented meeting of all the world's Orthodox leaders.
However, the range of topics to be discussed at the Pan-Orthodox Council remains a subject of tense debate among Orthodox leaders. The Russian Orthodox Church has insisted that topics can be put on the agenda only with the support of all autocephalous Orthodox bodies. That rule would prevent discussion of the most troubling questions that divide the Orthodox world.
In a related development, a leading figure in the Ukrainian Orthodox Church allied with Moscow insisted that the splits within the Ukrainian Orthodox community cannot be discussed at the Council.
(Excerpt) Read more at catholicculture.org ...
what do you expect? just like the protestant churches that split, and continue to be fragmented, the orthodox have more or less taken the same road....they left, and cant make up their minds amongst themselves now....
as opposed to the single-minded approach of the Roman church? lol
Face facts, all denominations today, including the Roman Catholic church, have wide ranging disagreements internally. The Catholics don’t escape this any more that protestants or orthodox churches.
please show me the roman catholic churches that do not adhere to the vatican on matters of doctrine and faith, on a continual basis over the last 2000 years....
“please show me the roman catholic churches that do not adhere to the vatican on matters of doctrine and faith, on a continual basis over the last 2000 years....”
Straw man... There are plenty of “Catholic” churches that have disagreed with Rome. Your response of course is that they then ceased to be Catholic. That may or may not be fair but you don’t seem to be willing to ascribe this to Orthodoxy.
Your suggestion that because there are disagreements over the agenda of a Church Synod that we have become Protestants is simply risible. There were disagreements over the agenda at Vatican II. Does that make you all Protestants? Your reference to doctrinal issues is also a straw man since there are no disagreements on matters of doctrine between the Orthodox churches. The Pan- Orthodox Synod is not expected to deal with any doctrinal matters.
Got to remember who to thank, which is the ENEMY, who enjoys dividing the believers up.
since you sidestepped my original question, try this, show me roman catholic churches that declined vatican II attendance, or fought about what’s on the agenda....show me roman catholic churches who disregard the pope on matters of faith and doctrine.....
and i nvr said you were becoming protestant, i said the same thing that protestants did, i.e., leaving the original church, they began to fragment, and argue amongst themselves, and refuse to join together for matters of faith and doctrine, the same thing orthodox churches are doing as this article notes.
“i nvr said you were becoming protestant, i said the same thing that protestants did, i.e., leaving the original church, they began to fragment, and argue amongst themselves, and refuse to join together for matters of faith and doctrine, the same thing orthodox churches are doing as this article notes.”
Oh, really? And after the Church of Rome went off on its own, leaving the other ancient Patriarchates of The Church in the Great Schism’ how many pieces did the Western Church break into? 30,000+, isn’t that the number of protestant ecclesial assembly children the Roman Church has?
We have a few autocephallous national churches and maybe 10 patriarchates, if you include the Oriental Orthodox and the Copts and we all believe the exact same thing doctrinally/dogamatically.
“since you sidestepped my original question...”
Actually I thought I answered it quite directly.
“show me roman catholic churches that declined vatican II attendance, or fought about what’s on the agenda....show me roman catholic churches who disregard the pope on matters of faith and doctrine”
Another straw man (or you are appallingly ignorant of your own ecclesiology). There are no autocephalous Catholic Churches. You are under the thumb of the Pope.
That said, there are the Old Catholic Churches, the PNCC, the Anglicans, and of course today there is the SSPX the various sedevecantist groups etc.
And while we are on the subject, there are no Orthodox bishops working diligently to subvert the doctrine and discipline of the Church at our forthcoming synod. Whereas you have a small army of bishops, some of whom are clearly heretics, doing exactly that in preparation for YOUR forthcoming synod. Some of these men have been invited, almost certainly for that very purpose by the Red Pope.
Indeed, since Rome left the Church there has been almost no serious doctrinal controversy. We had the Palamite question that was resolved by the 9th Ecumenical Council if that counts. But I can’t think of any other. And whereas the Christian West has been fragmenting pretty much ever since, as K points out, there have been only two persistent schisms in Orthodoxy (the Old Believers of Russia and the Calendar schism) in the last nine hundred years or so.
no, sorry, nice try, there are not 30000 roman catholic churches, there is one holy catholic and apostolic church, with the the succesors of peter in rome.....
we are ‘under the thumb’ of the pope, as Christ instructed, with his successors continually leading in an unbroken line for 2000 plus years....
there is no article anywhere on FR noting any sort of roman catholic churches not talking to each other or whining about what is or isnt on an agenda for a gathering of the heads of the parishes, etc, when there is a need for a meeting as called by the church...
and any sort of attempts by renegade bishops, etc (which has happened since the very beginning) to change or subvert the original doctrine has been met with the pope crushing it....thus no heresies ever being taught by the RCC.
dont group us in with sspx, or anglicans, etc, you know im referring only to the roman church, the original church, with st peter at the helm...you left us, not the other way around....
“no, sorry, nice try, there are not 30000 roman catholic churches, there is one holy catholic and apostolic church, with the the succesors of peter in rome.....”
No indeed there are not. There’s no more than one Church of Constantinople for that matter. There ARE more than 30,000 versions of the Western Church since the West left the rest of The Church in the Great Schism. Rome headed off on its own, and in the process, what had been a united Church, a patriarchate, a part of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church in which the fullness of The Church could be found in every diocese from the Adriatic to Scandinavia fractured, no, shattered, into over 30,000 pieces. It’s a tragedy, the consequences of which are seen in the increasing paganization of The West.
“The Catholics don’t escape this any more that protestants or orthodox churches.”
Escape it? No, but we certainly don’t suffer from it like the denomination do.
” how many pieces did the Western Church break into? 30,000+,”
That’s a logical impossibility. People break away from the Church. The Western Church did not break into pieces. It’s still there and it’s whole.
“There ARE more than 30,000 versions of the Western Church since the West left the rest of The Church in the Great Schism.”
Wait. Is Constantinople in communion with the Old Calendarists? If you say no, then what? There are not “30,000 versions of the Western Church”. There’s the Western Church and then 30,000 Protestant sects (actually the number is much higher) who are not in communion with the Western Church. You’re not in communion with the Western Church. Are you a Protestant? You probably aren’t in communion with the Old Calendarists. Does that mean you are in communion with everyone who calls himself Orthodox”?
Come on, I know from many talks with you that you KNOW this is how it is.
This will be the Orthodox’s Vatican II.
Even about divorce and remarriage?
The Vatican II Church doesn’t adhere to the Catholic doctrine pre- 1960.
So far as I know, yes, but truthfully, I don’t know what the Copts think. I have attended the second marriage of an Ethiopian woman, her first marriage having ended in divorce, but that was in a Russian parish. The rules about divorce and remarriage go back to around the 8th century. Both in Constantinople and Rome, the patriarchates had to deal with marriage being a civil/state matter and the emperors and lower nobilyty having multiple marriages. Rome, interestingly enough, was the patriarchate most willing to cut the nobilty some slack back in those days, though as we know, that changed.
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