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To: Elsie

“Many who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.”

Please allow me to explain.

Just as there are fallen angels, there are many who have been in Christ and have fallen away. Even Jesus stated that not all who use His name know Him. I too have found this to be the case, especially with pastors of large churches. Their identity forms as a leader of people, not as a servant of Jesus and they fall asleep and lose Him.

Many Christians proclaim Jesus as their Savoir and then treat him as a lifeguard that can rescue them when they die. While Jesus has that ability, i.e. to save you when you die, which would you sooner have, a lifeguard who rescues you when you are drowning, or a life guard that teaches you how to swim?

Jesus was teaching us how to swim in order that we might teach others. It is only then that you to can do the things that Jesus did while on earth. If you deny the Christ that is in me, then you would deny that same Christ in entering you. Your communion would be empty.

I will waste no more time explaining this, as Jesus stated, let those who have ears hear. But do not give your pearls to the swine lest they turn on you.

Blessings


676 posted on 08/15/2015 5:49:57 AM PDT by tired&retired (QRT)
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To: tired&retired
I thought that was what you were saying and was what I was alluding to trying to explain why the concept of Purgatory fits with my growing understanding. Or, said another way, why my understanding doesn't work without the concept of Purgatory.

I'm not trying to push this material on anyone, just posting what I have personally found to be very enlightening, thought provoking and life changing.

If I give this material the "By their fruits" test, I have many reasons to believe it is exactly what it says it is. It has done wonders for me and within me.

There are many, many messages with passages that speak to those who, for whatever reason, just don't seem to take the Word to heart. They know the word, but the Word doesn't seem to know them is how they come across to my uneducated self and I worry for them and about them.

This is a bit long, but in it Jesus speaks to what I believe you are saying and doing and to the "reactions" some have with your witness. Please forgive the length, but there is a lot of good material. This is an excerpt from:

Scriptures Are A Mirror That Reflect Me
November 13, 2001

I solemnly ask everyone: what have you done with Scriptures? Scriptures are a mirror that reflect Me; how is it, if you say you know the Scriptures, you do not recognise My speech? how is it you so easily contradict the truth? I tell you, if you do not recognise Me in My sayings now, it is simply that you do not know nor understand the Scriptures that are a key of the Holy Spirit;

if some of you say: "we do not need this prophetic revelation, we are not obliged to listen to it or read it because Scriptures are enough for us and we can learn all knowledge from them;" I ask you in your incredulity: "do you know why you do not believe and do you know why you are so indifferent and determined to close your heart? do you know why you do not seek anything beyond it?" it is because you have not the Holy Spirit who could have risen you from darkness into His Light enlightening your soul to see the Son together with the Father manifesting themselves to you; the Holy Spirit would have breathed in you a resurrection breath invigorating you, giving you life in Me; can a soul who is dead understand Scriptures and put them into practice if he is not alive?

if you would have understood the Scriptures that are as a mirror, reflecting My Image, you would not have said: "Scriptures are enough for me;" no, My friend, Scriptures are not enough if you do not possess the Holy Spirit; it is through the Light of the Holy Spirit that Revelation can be understood and all that seemed then impenetrable mysteries in Scriptures, and sealed, would become knowable and clear because the key of knowledge would be given to you by the Spirit;

yet, I tell you truly: anyone who has willingly accepted Me, even now when I am speaking, is blessed, because through Me he receives knowledge and Wisdom in such a prodigious way that it is as though he has read all of the Scriptures! he himself will be like a loud book bearing within himself the divine inspirations one obtains through grace; then, My daughter, when he reads Scriptures he would see, not only the words, but, as you have experienced, Vassula, he would see the deep spiritual meaning of its context with his spiritual eye;

therefore, do not oppose My envoys who are like a loud book and an office of prophecy, they come from Me; they do not reveal more than what Scriptures contain, but are a guide for you; they guide your life into a new manner to live truly in Me, improving your life, giving you hope and consolation; I can turn anyone from a wretched being into a Cathedral;

judge not and I shall come to you to conceive My sayings into reality; Scriptures are the Image of Me, your God, do not underestimate them either but do not say you know them when you are far from knowing Me; observe the Commandments and fulfil their sayings so that you have a vision of Me; to fulfil My Word will lead your soul to know Me; then, and only then, you will become god by participation and not by the rule;

have you not understood the meaning of: "listen willingly to any discourse coming from God?" have you been listening? the actions of every creature are before him; disasters, plague, famine, afflictions, wars, blood and death have replaced My flowers3 now through your own hand and through your sins;

Thank you, again, for being a patient witness!
679 posted on 08/15/2015 6:22:51 AM PDT by GBA (Just a hick in paradise)
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To: tired&retired
Just as there are fallen angels, there are many who have been in Christ and have fallen away.

AFTER they died?


“Many who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.”


735 posted on 08/16/2015 3:58:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tired&retired
If you deny the Christ that is in me, then you would deny that same Christ in entering you.

Oh?

You've not prove that your Christ is the CORRECT one.


Matthew 24:24
For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders,

736 posted on 08/16/2015 3:59:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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