Hidden Jewels: Appreciating the Prefaces of the Eucharistic Prayer [Catholic Caucus]

Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 07-28-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[Salvation]

But remember, the priest is in persona Christi. Hence when he speaks it is really the Lord Jesus who speaks, making use of the voice of the priest.

[Salvation]

Monsignor Pope Ping!

[Fester Chugabrew]

We do this at least every Sunday. Chanted. Lutheran Church. It is true that the Office places Christ Jesus before His people. TV is no substitute for being present in the local parish.

[stanne]

Prefaces??!!

No. Twenty minutes of sermon - on a weekday, and a, ‘this is the Lamb of God’ for consecration. Same on Sunday followed by ten minutes of prepping the extraordinary ministers then ten minutes of announcements with applause. Jokes

I go for Eucharist. The consecration is nothing in the contemporary mass

[Bigg Red]

So, what is the celebrant really inviting us to do when he says, “Lift up your hearts”? He invites us to go to Heaven

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Such a wonderful explanation!

I had never thought of this in this way, but I will henceforth.

Likewise, after a Msgr. Pope piece that you pinged me to not too long ago, I have been paying closer attention to the Collect as he recommended.

Thanks, FRiend.

[Salvation]

This is after the sermon and before the consecration. It is all leading up to the consecration of the Eucharist.

Holy, Holy, Holy

Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus

follow the preface.

[Salvation]

**The consecration is nothing in the contemporary mass**

Why do you say this.

It’s a priest, acting in persona Christi, consecrating the bread and wine. It happens in a traditional Mass too.

[Salvation]

**The congregation’s response is meant to be a joyful acknowledgment and acceptance of the Lord’s action in summoning us to the heavenly liturgy.**

I’ve always thought of the angels being all around us during the Mass. We just can’t see them!

I truly believe they are there.

[Kolokotronis]

Pretty in Latin...sublime in Greek (whence you folks got it)! "Priest: Ἡ χάρις τοῦ Κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ καὶ ἡ ἀγάπη τοῦ Θεοῦ καὶ Πατρὸς καὶ ἡ κοινωνία τοῦ Ἁγίου Πνεύματος εἴη μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. People: Καὶ μετὰ τοῦ πνεύματός σου. Priest: Ἄνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας. People: Ἔχομεν πρὸς τὸν Κύριον. Priest: Εὐχαριστήσωμεν τῷ Κυρίῳ. People: Ἄξιον καὶ δίκαιον."

[Kolokotronis]

Better

Pretty in Latin...sublime in Greek (whence you folks got it)!

"Priest: Ἡ χάρις τοῦ Κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ καὶ ἡ ἀγάπη τοῦ Θεοῦ καὶ Πατρὸς καὶ ἡ κοινωνία τοῦ Ἁγίου Πνεύματος εἴη μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν.

People: Καὶ μετὰ τοῦ πνεύματός σου.

Priest: Ἄνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας.

People: Ἔχομεν πρὸς τὸν Κύριον.

Priest: Εὐχαριστήσωμεν τῷ Κυρίῳ.

People: Ἄξιον καὶ δίκαιον."

[stanne]

The preface starts after hosanna in the highest. Follow. They skip it

[mlizzy]

I’ve always thought of the angels being all around us during the Mass. We just can’t see them! I truly believe they are there.

Yes, I agree. And I believe Mary is at every Mass as well, as She never veers far from Her Son.

And as an aside, after my saintly f-i-l passed away, a parishioner at a funeral Mass saw him, following his son [who is a priest] around as he incensed the altar.

[stanne]

I’m saying that they skip the preface taking away from the reverence of the consecration devoting more time to silliness. Th e consecration is everything. They try to downplay it is what I meant

[Salvation]

Not always chanted, but said at every weekday Mass too.

[Salvation]

The Novus Ordo does not skip the preface at all.

Are you saying that the Tridentine does skip it?

[stanne]

No. I’m saying the priests choose to skip it

[Salvation]

Then do you experience an illicit Mass because things are left out?

[stanne]

No I do not. I go for Eucharist and mass. The rest are distractions. The state of the church here is likely a reflection of that. And I refuse to applaud for anything at mass.

[Grateful2God]

IMHO, when i read your post, i get the feeling that it hurts you to go to Mass where you do. Maybe you could seek another parish, possibly one that has the TLM. It's ok to do that, and it may bring you more peace. As for the Consecration, It can't be nothing; no matter who the validly ordained priest is, whatever he may be like as a person himself, Jesus still is on the Altar, and that Host you receive is Jesus. He is still there for you!

Prayers and best wishes for you. May God guide you on your journey!

[Grateful2God]

No, but if a person cannot leave home, or wherever they may be, at least they are exposed to it. In our case, when such a situation arises, a person can watch on TV, and, ideally, an extra-ordinary minister can bring them Communion.