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To: Boogieman
The condemnation of God doesn’t happen until after Christ returns, as it is Christ that treads the winepress of God’s wrath. By that time, we’ll all be resurrected in glorified bodies, so we won’t have to worry about being “collateral damage”.

This is so convoluted and so much conflation, we'll have to take it clause by clause.

The condemnation of God doesn’t happen until after Christ returns In this start you are spot on, God does not deliver the Earth over to the machinations of satan until Christ comes in the clouds to remove His Body of believers. These that will be removed will return after the Tribulation as His Bride.

it is Christ that treads the winepress of God’s wrath. Once again you are correct but you have apparently omitted all the events prior to this treading the winepress. In the harvests, the barley is first, and to harvest the grain from the stalks one need only wave the stalks in the air to release the grain. Next harvested is the wheat. To get the grain from the stalks with wheat the bundles are crushed with a tribulum dragged over the stalks and the grain is crushed out of what becomes the chaff. By the time we get to the harvesting of grapes and the treading of the winepress, there have been previous harvests. The barley prefigures the Rapture harvest of the believers in Christ. The tribulum crushing the grains from the stalks of wheat prefigures those who will become real believers during the events occurring upon the earth during the tribulation. By the time the winepress 'occurs' the only thing left are the unbelievers, those who have refused to believe Jesus is the ONLY means of deliverance and eternal life as God offers to bring life tot he dead souls of men.

By that time, we’ll all be resurrected in glorified bodies, so we won’t have to worry about being “collateral damage". Again, close, but the orientation seems askew. When the barley harvest, er, I mean the Rapture happens, the dead in Christ who died during the Church Age together with those alive in Christ at the moment of the harvest, er, I mean Rapture of the Church, will be --as Paul put it, telling the Corinthians that he was showing them a mystery, something hidden and just being revealed-- transformed, I a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, then together (as Paul wrote in 2 Thess 2) as a gathering together unto Him, The Christ, we shall be departed to where Jesus told His disciples He was going to prepare for them and come to take them THERE, not uppn the EArth, THERE, in Heaven. While the born from above are in Heaven, going before the Bema Seat of Christ, the seventieth week of Daniel's Prophecy will run on the earth, with the wheat being tribulumed, er, I mean the unbelievers being subject to growing wrath.

God has not appointed us unto wrath, but to obtain Salvation/Deliverance. God will not put His life in a believer only to then subject them to His wrath. The wrath of satan and of men has been doing that to The Church members since the first century AD. God will remove His chosen before He sends His wrath, as He releases by removing the Restrainer out of the way.

The seventieth week of Daniel's prophecy, whose purpose is int he previous post from Daniel 9, that seventieth week begins when a 'safety' deal is made with the evil one's representative, 'guaranteeing' safety for Israel so Israel need not keep their armies on constant alert for islamic attack. The 'safety' treaty is hallmarked by severe military actions wiping out some gathering to assault Israel and annihilate her. The scene into which this 'giver of safety' strides for making deals is not a pleasant world. Jesus described the state of things world-wide in the Olivet Discourse recorded in Matthew 24 and Mark 13. The hellish state will already be started, so those in Christ will already be gone with The Christ back to where He has been preparing a place for the born from above.

Yes, the above represents my opinion, the way I read the scriptures after decades in them as a born from above member of The Body of Christ. If you wish to discuss this further, I will do so with you in a spirit of comity. But I have not insulted your opinion so I would expect the same in return even as you offer your extensive opinion doubtless derived from years of study also.

If America is to have revival, I see the Truth of the imminency of the Rapture as an anchor to which revival can be secured. The Septuagint was replete with signs to watch for so a precise timing of the seventieth week of Daniel culmination could be calculated. There are no such signs of fulfillment in order for the Rapture to happen. The Bible makes it clear we are to be always alert to His coming int he Air to snatch away His Church, His body of believers accumulating during the Church Age. But as to the Second return to touch down upon the Mt of Olives, there are numerous signs for timing that arrival.

613 posted on 07/29/2015 10:01:00 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN

“By the time the winepress ‘occurs’ the only thing left are the unbelievers, those who have refused to believe Jesus is the ONLY means of deliverance and eternal life as God offers to bring life tot he dead souls of men.”

Yes, only unbelievers are left because the first resurrection occurs at Christ’s return, and all believers, living and dead are resurrected as part of that event. After that, Christ dispenses God’s wrath on the world.

“When the barley harvest, er, I mean the Rapture happens, the dead in Christ who died during the Church Age together with those alive in Christ at the moment of the harvest, er, I mean Rapture of the Church, will be —as Paul put it, telling the Corinthians that he was showing them a mystery, something hidden and just being revealed— transformed, I a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, then together (as Paul wrote in 2 Thess 2) as a gathering together unto Him, The Christ, we shall be departed to where Jesus told His disciples He was going to prepare for them and come to take them THERE, not uppn the EArth, THERE, in Heaven.”

So then why is there a first resurrection, of all the believers living and dead, at the end of the tribulation? According to you, all have already been resurrected in the rapture, rendering the first resurrection not only falsely labelled (since it wouldn’t actually be the first) but also superfluous. God doesn’t do things that are false or superfluous, so your interpretation has some pretty huge contradictions to try to explain away.

“God will remove His chosen before He sends His wrath”

Of course, that is why we are resurrected at Christ’s return at the end of the tribulation, before God’s wrath comes upon the world.

“The hellish state will already be started, so those in Christ will already be gone with The Christ back to where He has been preparing a place for the born from above.”

This is just an assumption on your part, and I think a very poor one. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Christians will be removed before the Tribulation.

“If America is to have revival, I see the Truth of the imminency of the Rapture as an anchor to which revival can be secured.”

I don’t think revival based on a misinterpretation of Scripture is likely or desirable. Besides, we know there will be great apostasy before the end, so we should expect the number of Christians to dwindle and not increase at that time.


617 posted on 07/29/2015 11:05:21 AM PDT by Boogieman
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