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We Will Not Bow
Grace To You ^ | July 19, 2015 | John MacArthur

Posted on 07/25/2015 7:40:29 AM PDT by daniel1212

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To: daniel1212
The two greatest attacks of terror on America were perpetrated by the Supreme Court. Not by any Muslim, but by the Supreme Court of the United States.

Muslims killed about 3,000 one day about 14 years ago.

CHOICE kills 110% of that amount

EVERY DAY in this country.


21 posted on 07/25/2015 1:08:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: left that other site
"However, the “terrorism” comparison enters the equation when individuals are forced to, not only participate, but celebrate something that is against their deeply held beliefs."

Just because I don't care what the states allows, does not mean I don not care what the state compels.

And, of course if that's the driving concern, I'm totally on board.

But I suspect that's not the principal motive for many.

I'm Christian, but when I hear Christians talking about using the power of the state to forbid things that harm nobody but the perp, I get very uneasy.

Yeah, I understand the concept of cultural harm, societal harm etc.

But I am not my brothers babysitter and I will not allow him to be mine.

22 posted on 07/25/2015 1:09:59 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: daniel1212

Good post. Thanks!


23 posted on 07/25/2015 1:12:56 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: Mariner

I think God blesses a country that honors Him, and will destroy a country that USED to honor Him. This is a sign how far America has fallen. It also means open persecution of Christians has arrived. Not will arrive, but HAS arrived. Make an open statement critical of homosexuality, and see how quickly you and your business will come under attack.


24 posted on 07/25/2015 1:16:59 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: daniel1212

One can only say “Amen” to this preaching.

While some may disagree with some of his positions, John MacArthur is one of the few preachers left that lays it on the line.


25 posted on 07/25/2015 1:46:14 PM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: Mariner
I agree with the contention on abortion. Terrorism. But to equate homo marriage with terrorism is simply absurd. In fact I don't care who a homo "marries", nor a good Christian. I simply cannot understand the fevered opposition.

If you do not see how SOTUS penalizing any state that will not sanction as marriage the union of sodomites then you have a very superficial understanding of what this represents. But perhaps you see no value in the Bible being the tested transcendent moral standard for moral laws, even if according to principles.

It would seem that you disagree that Godliness and morality is a country's greatest strength (not simply in terms of power), and that the overall character of a country, and that the Hollywoods and the purveyors and purchasers of perversion within a country, and a far greater threat then enemies without, and that moral decline accompanied every nation that itself eventually went South.

Sexually joining together what God has placed asunder is the capstone of the demonic liberal overthrowing of traditional Biblical morality, which has already cost American greatly in souls, lives and money , and dignifying it by affording it the title of marriage, and requiring the entire nation to do so, is indeed an act of terrorism against both Constitutional freedom (with its basis and necessary limits) and Biblical morality which only blesses a country, and requiring all states to basically salute the flag of Sodom will have effects which are far more detrimental to American society than any physical act of terrorism has.

Men having sex with men (MSM) has itself already been primarily responsible for the death of over 600,000 Americans, and despite attempts to tame it somewhat this unholy union is still responsible for 79% of new HIV cases. Moreover, the lifetime ( 24.2 years avg.) HIV care cost per person in optimal HIV care is now $618,900 per person. The discounted (accounting for the time-specific value of costs and benefits) lifetime cost of comprehensive treatment per HIV-infected person was $385,000. The total discounted cost, including lost productivity, of the estimated 40,000 new HIV infections expected to occur in the United States every year, was estimated to be approximately $53 billion. - http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/45/Supplement_4/S248.full. Read more: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RevealingStatistics.html#ixzz3gw8eR6nE

Sodomy also typically results in a greatly increased incidence of infectious diseases and premature death, and lesbians have a much greater rate of attempted suicide.

One would think that marriage then would be favored in the interest of public health, but the homosexual reality is that marriage is not only redefined as regard what is joined together, but it is also typically not monogamous either. For one, the Gay Couples Study, followed 556 male couples for three years and found about 50 percent of those surveyed have sex outside their relationships, with the knowledge and approval of their partners. - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html?_r=0

However, even if these detrimental physical effects were not seen then homosexual relationships would still be evil as that are contrary to what God has ordained. And made man and women uniquely compatible and complimentary, and they alone are joined by God in marriage, with opposite genders being specified by both Genesis and personally by Jesus Christ. (Gn. 2:18-24; Mt. 19:4) The Bible only condemns homosexual relations - by design and decree, in principle and by precept - and never sanctions them wherever they are manifestly dealt with, and the injunctions against them are part of the transcendent and immutable moral law. (Lv. 18:22; Rm. 1:26,27)

However, some of the first Christians were likely former homosexuals, (1Cor. 6:9-11) and there is room at the cross for all who want the Lord Jesus over sin, and believe upon Him to save them who died for them, and rose again. And who thus are baptized and follow Him, to the glory of God. Joining

26 posted on 07/25/2015 1:59:22 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: HarleyD; daniel1212

**While some may disagree with some of his positions, John MacArthur is one of the few preachers left that lays it on the line.**

I am one of the some, and yes, you are correct.


27 posted on 07/25/2015 2:01:50 PM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists: "There is no God and I hate Him!")
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To: Mariner
The state will do as the state sees fit. They will not compel you to marry a homo.

They can and have and will punish those who will not marry them, or provide what they demand in order to do so.

The devil works to created an alternative society, with his perversion of what God ordained, and in which the devil receives homage via his proxy servants.

28 posted on 07/25/2015 2:21:28 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Mariner

Like you, I really do care about “what the state compels”.

That is the crux of the issue.


29 posted on 07/25/2015 2:32:31 PM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: Mariner

Yes. We have to keep on loudly proclaiming abortion for what it is - murder. Also, homo “marriage” is a blackguard travesty - no matter how many Supreme Court Justices say it’s something to be “celebrated”. - The “state” has made its decision to define something that ain’t as something that is. - It still ain’t to me. - Maranatha!


30 posted on 07/25/2015 4:55:49 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: daniel1212

Very good.


31 posted on 07/25/2015 6:15:46 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Thanks be to God. 5 out of 9 SOTUS judges were not.


32 posted on 07/25/2015 6:49:28 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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