Posted on 07/01/2015 7:13:05 AM PDT by RnMomof7
If man could earn heaven...they would not have needed a Savior
Can you list the things needed for salvation? The catholic things I mean.
Are you claiming to know what is in my heart regarding my relationship with Christ? And that goes for the rest of the billion-plus Catholics.
Can you list the catholic things needed for salvation?
Um, since catholicism teaches ‘another christ’ you could consider some of us offering you The Christ of The Bible, through Whom Saving Faith and immediate birth from above is available. We offer not an installment salvation, as the christ of catholicism teaches, but an immediate Savior and Lord.
jobim: That statement is a lie. It's a sin for a Christian to tell a lie.
It's not a lie. There are plenty of former RC's who will tell you that that's what they did.
And I'm one of them. When I was a Catholic, that was my identity. I followed Catholicism, thinking that was the way to get to heaven and non-Catholics were going to hell, because that's what I was taught.
Then a once in a lifetime Mass is all that's needed for a Catholic...
Magic thinking is seldom logical ...
Yup.
Are you ?
You don’t speak for Catholics worldwide either.
And your comments are anecdotal as well.
Nor does your inductive conclusion convey a transcendent truth.
The very things that you claim invalidate my comments invalidate yours as well because they can be applied to you as well.
My relationship with Jesus Christ is just fine which is better than what I had as a Catholic, which was none.
Years ago I used to wonder ‘What are these Nicolaitans spoken of in the beginning of Revelation. Now that I’ve dug in deeply tot eh Catholic beliefs and system of religion I am astonished to see the Nicolaitans in this age! It grieves God to have so many sincere people led so far from the Truth of what He declares in His Word to us. Truly, pagan rites and rituals of magic thinking have completely corroded a large segment of those who would follow Jesus if the catholic church taught on Him and encouraged their adherents to spend much time with Him in The Word. If they would just stop daily blasphemies against His body and blood it would go a very long way to freeing their souls to seek Him in Spirit and Truth.
When I was a catholic, it was not as though I didn't like being called a Christian, I just didn't think I was good enough to be called a Christian. For that matter, I knew I wasn't living up to the requirements of the Catholic Church either. Now, I don't do works based stuff anymore. 😇
even if they commit those sins, and even if for some reason, they don’t feel sorry for them, they are still saved.
I understand that we can commit sins and still be saved if we hate our sin and are sorry for committing them. But this is where you lose me; that we are still saved even if we don’t feel sorry for our sins?
That is a contradiction with 1John the first three or four chapters isn’t it. One of the ways we know we have His Spirit in us is that we hate our sins, even as Christ has dealt with the penalty for them and they are no more in God’s sight.
In what way do the Nicolaitans resemble the Catholic Church?
You ever been angry at someone?
Sometimes you can wrong them and not feel sorry for it.
But that doesn’t mean you’ll ALWAYS be like that.
One problem I see Catholics having is that they focus on the immediate and don’t seem to allow for the fact that, yes, at the moment someone can willfully sin and yes, at the moment, not feel sorry or repentant for it. But that doesn’t mean they never will be. Or that God doesn’t work in their lives to change their attitude.
What happens in the moment is not set in concrete, so the scenarios that Catholics set up of a believer and sin, do not allow for what could happen in the future. Nothing is as black and white as in the manufactured scenarios they present to us and demand an answer for.
So, yes, if I sin and don’t feel sorry for it at the moment, or even for a long time, I am still saved. I don’t have to repent of each and every single sin I ever committed. God gives a judicial pardon, canceling the record of debt that stands against me in a one time act.
Once I’m adopted into His family, I’m there, even if I sin. The difference is, when I do sin, God deals with it differently than revoking my salvation.
Salvation isn’t based on our feeling sorry for our sin.
We commit sin. The wages of sin is death.
When we turn to Christ for forgiveness, we confess and repent, admit to God what we did was wrong, and turn from it.
Now, you may and probably will feel sorry for your sin, but that is irrelevant.
Salvation isn’t based on emotions. It’s based on the fact of the finished work of Christ on the cross being applied to our life.
Now, once one is born again, then they will feel sorry for their sin but that isn’t what keeps one saved.
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