Posted on 07/01/2015 7:13:05 AM PDT by RnMomof7
We Catholics know about the “Good Thief,” right? He was saved without Bible, without Baptism, and without an explicit declaration that he was accepting Jesus as his personal Lord and Savior. He just said “Lord remember me when you come into your kingdom.” We hardly know what he “believed” by that, but he was saved by grace.
We know about the babies killed in Bethlehem because of Herod’s “odium Christi”? Right? They had no baptism, no Bible, and had not even attained the age of reason, but they are considered saints in heaven (”the Holy Innocents.”)
We will respectfully bury stillborns and even miscarried babies in a Catholic Funeral which simply commits them to the mercy of God.
But the point is that God saves. Jesus: it’s His name!
Amen. His name as One is I AM. Is there anything the list needs to be completed?
Is there anything missing on this list, that you notice should be on the list?
Yes!
Canon 752: “While the assent of faith is not required, a religious submission of intellect and will is to be given to any doctrine which either the Supreme Pontiff or the College of Bishops, exercising their authentic Magisterium, declare upon a matter of faith or morals, even though they do not intend to proclaim that doctrine by definitive act. Christ's faithful are therefore to ensure that they avoid whatever does not accord with that doctrine.”
Canon 753: “While not infallible in their teaching, [Catholic bishops] are the authentic instructors and teachers of the faith for Christ's faithful entrusted to their care. The faithful are bound to adhere, with a religious submission of mind, to this authentic Magisterium of their Bishops.”
Do you guys have anything you believe should be on the definitive list?
In the interest of being thorough and fair, are there any items which you guys/gals would see need to be added to the list to complete it?
The Thief on the Cross is a special case to most who read the scriptures, so lets not use a possible exception to prove the rule, okay?
Have anything you want to add?
Any true Scriptural list showing "how we are saved" must be understood to add up to this one point: being incorporated into Christ.
How Scripture proclaims we are saved:
By believing in Jesus Christ (Jn 3:16; Acts 16:31)
By repentance (Acts 2:38; 2 Pet 3:9)
By baptism (Jn 3:5; 1 Pet 3:21; Titus 3:5)
By eating His flesh and drinking His blood (Jn 6)
By the work of the Spirit (Jn 3:5; 2 Cor 3:6)
By declaring with our mouths (Lk 12:8; Rom 10:9)
By coming to a knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4; Heb 10:26)
By works (Rom 2:6-7; James 2:24)
By grace (Acts 15:11; Eph 2:8)
By His blood (Rom 5:9; Heb 9:22)
By His righteousness (Rom 5:17; 2 Pet 1:1)
By keeping the commandments (Matt 19:17)
By childbearing (1 Tim 2:15)
By our words (Matt 12:37)
By compassion toward the needy (John 10:25-37; Matthew 25:31-46)
By enduring to the end (Matt.24:13)
This is all Scripture, and...
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness." 2 Timothy 3:16
If you want to find one word which comprises all of these items, and call that word "faith," that's fine: not a dead faith, as St. James says, but a 'living' one.
Which is to say, being incorporated into Christ. That's what Paul says in Galatians 3:23-29. Faith: Baptized in Christ - "immersed" in Christ - clothed with Christ - one in Christ - "Heirs according to the promise."
So, do you want to add to or subtract from the list?
The scriptures you post from I wouldn’t even guess what website, are not relevant tot he list. One example is the Romans 2 reference you posted. Look in context and for what focus Paul wrote that passage and it is immediately obvious the verses are not focused upon the Gospel for Salvation. Please, let’s be honest and not try to blur this serious focus into absurdity.
“Is there any other item which should be on the list of things that must be accomplished fro a Catholic to obtain Salvation?”
Ever try that with a Protestant? I have. First, they tell you all you need is faith in Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Then when you press them they might admit that the sinner must be contrite and repent of his sins. Then when you press them a little more they might admit that a firm choice amendment of life is probably in there too. Then if you ask them if they must believe Jesus is divine, that Protestant might not know what to say because the obvious answer is yes, but many Protestants are not so sure about Jesus’ divinity or if that is necessarily a part of “Lord” for Jesus. Then if you ask the Protestant is someone can lose faith in Christ and be saved, he stammers and starts looking for a quick exit. Usually they evade the question by insisting that someone who was “really saved” would never lose faith or commit a serious sin. When you point out examples of people who have done such things the Protestant will insist those people must not have really been saved in the first place.
My answer for the same question is exactly what Mary said at Cana: “Do whatever He tells you.”
If that is not enough for you, then you have much to learn about God and yourself.
“You Catholics claim to know your religion better than any Protestants on FR, so please, make this list complete so we readers don’t miss anything vital, essential, absolutely required, for salvation as a Catholic.”
Do whatever He tells you. That’s the whole list.
Nope...We know exactly what he believed...
“Lord remember me when you come into your kingdom.”
Rom_10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
So you have nothing to add, just a neediness of assaulting Protestants? If there is something you would like to add to the gracious list Petrosius offered, please do so. There will be plenty of time to massage egos and spit at people on other threads in other discussions, where you can fulfill your needs.
-— My answer for the same question is exactly what Mary said at Cana: “Do whatever He tells you.” -—
Great post. The matter of salvation cannot be reduced to a single Bible verse.
“If you love me, keep my commandments.” —Jesus
We are not trying to limit to a single or even a few Bible verses. That would not be fair. Is there something from the Magesterium or Catholic Traditions that you feel should be listed as essential to Salvation from a Catholic perspective?
“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved - and your household” - Acts 16:31
I am not going to argue with you, since that will not build up the Body of Christ either.
To the list you refer and also in the interests of completeness: full assent to all dogmatic Church teachings is also required for salvation.
This doesn’t mean every Catholic must understand them completely, at the level of a scholar; no level of “understanding” is required really (although of course encouraged)
Nor does it mean that if one is innocently ignorant of one, one is guilty of rejecting it. It does not mean that.
It simply means once one is educated about a dogmatic teaching, one cannot disagree with it. To know a teaching is dogmatic, and understand the teaching is dogmatic (which means it’s required) and to reject it anyway is a mortal sin.
So I guess that falls in line with Petrosius’ requirement # 3. I just thought it deserved its own mention, again for completeness.
Asking to have a list of the things a person has learned from Catholicism are necessary for Salvation according to Catholic faith is not arguing and if it gets someone saved, is it building up the body or not?
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