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To: Mark17

A ‘once was a catholic priest’ brother in Christ mentioned recently that the fires of Hell cannot burn away sin. So sin is so unrighteous that even the burning of is will not erase it. But Catholicism still teaches folks that they can get right through the bringing of their venial sins in purgatory. That purgatory notion was added much later than t he completion of the Bible, so we are to assume it was a tradition, eh?


240 posted on 07/01/2015 8:59:30 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN

Every element of the RCC is man made tradition.


243 posted on 07/01/2015 12:46:31 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: MHGinTN; metmom; knarf
A ‘once was a catholic priest’ brother in Christ mentioned recently that the fires of Hell cannot burn away sin. So sin is so unrighteous that even the burning of it will not erase it.

Interesting point. I think God does not allow us to see just how hideous sin really is, or we would never even be able to get out of bed in the morning, and face the day. I think if one does not allow Jesus to pay for his sins, he must pay for them by himself. Even an eternity in Hell, will not get a sinner even remotely close to paying for his sins, so Hell continues, and I believe sinners in Hell are still sinning while in Hell. People need to get their stuff together, and get saved, or they will face the same dilemma.

I visited Fort Wayne Bible College once. The lady that ran the bookstore told me she had been a former nun. She got saved by reading the DR Bible. Praise God for that. 😂😇

253 posted on 07/01/2015 2:05:02 PM PDT by Mark17 (Lonely people live in every city, men who face a dark and lonely grave. Lonely voices do I hear)
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To: MHGinTN; Mark17

“A ‘once was a catholic priest’ brother in Christ mentioned recently that the fires of Hell cannot burn away sin. So sin is so unrighteous that even the burning of is will not erase it. But Catholicism still teaches folks that they can get right through the bringing of their venial sins in purgatory.”

It’s not “fire” that “burns away sin” in Purgatory, but grace.

“Guilt is not remitted by punishment, but venial sin as to its guilt is remitted in Purgatory by virtue of grace, not only as existing in the habit, but also as proceeding to the act of charity in detestation of venial sin.”

http://biblehub.com/library/aquinas/summa_theologica/whether_venial_sin_is_expiated.htm

“That purgatory notion was added much later than t he completion of the Bible, so we are to assume it was a tradition, eh?”

The Bible was completed - in terms of when the last book was written - in the 90s according to most scripture scholars. Prayers for the dead, however, for which Purgatory alone is a satisfactory example were known to exist BEFORE the Bible was completed. See 2 Maccabees 12 for instance. And the prayer requested in the famous Inscription of Abericus shows Christians were praying for the dead no later than 167. That’s only 70-75 years after the New Testament was written. It certainly is not “much later than t he completion of the Bible”. You probably knew nothing about the Inscription of Abericus, right? There’s no reason to pray for the dead unless there’s a Purgatory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inscription_of_Abercius

And don’t forget that some scholars see Paul as praying for Onesiphorus, and not just his household, as if he were deceased. 2 Timothy 1:16-18


262 posted on 07/02/2015 8:13:14 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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