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To: MHGinTN; Mark17

“A ‘once was a catholic priest’ brother in Christ mentioned recently that the fires of Hell cannot burn away sin. So sin is so unrighteous that even the burning of is will not erase it. But Catholicism still teaches folks that they can get right through the bringing of their venial sins in purgatory.”

It’s not “fire” that “burns away sin” in Purgatory, but grace.

“Guilt is not remitted by punishment, but venial sin as to its guilt is remitted in Purgatory by virtue of grace, not only as existing in the habit, but also as proceeding to the act of charity in detestation of venial sin.”

http://biblehub.com/library/aquinas/summa_theologica/whether_venial_sin_is_expiated.htm

“That purgatory notion was added much later than t he completion of the Bible, so we are to assume it was a tradition, eh?”

The Bible was completed - in terms of when the last book was written - in the 90s according to most scripture scholars. Prayers for the dead, however, for which Purgatory alone is a satisfactory example were known to exist BEFORE the Bible was completed. See 2 Maccabees 12 for instance. And the prayer requested in the famous Inscription of Abericus shows Christians were praying for the dead no later than 167. That’s only 70-75 years after the New Testament was written. It certainly is not “much later than t he completion of the Bible”. You probably knew nothing about the Inscription of Abericus, right? There’s no reason to pray for the dead unless there’s a Purgatory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inscription_of_Abercius

And don’t forget that some scholars see Paul as praying for Onesiphorus, and not just his household, as if he were deceased. 2 Timothy 1:16-18


262 posted on 07/02/2015 8:13:14 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998
Do a study of the Bema Seat of Christ, which takes place in Heaven. That is a real purging.

Purgatory is a fantasy fabricated from 1438, for further empowerment of a nicolaitanized religion. The Christian, as a member of The Bride, will have a 'review' in Heaven, which will purify. This is related to the 'cleansing bath' the Jewish maiden has before the wedding ceremony. You can get as much purging from catholic purgatory as Luke Skywalker got from the force, and at about the same level of fantasy.

The heresy of catholic purgatory stems from the denial that Christ's blood cleanses from all unrighteousness and then God immediately sends His Holy Spirit Life into the cleansed believer. This is a subtle way to deny the power in the perfect blood of Christ Jesus. It is also a way the system of catholic church empowers their bureaucracy, not a furtherance of salvation ministry.

263 posted on 07/02/2015 8:37:27 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: vladimir998; MHGinTN; Mark17

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>> “It’s not “fire” that “burns away sin” in Purgatory, but grace.” <<

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Grace allows our innocence before Yeshua, and the innocent are never punished.

It is a wicked ‘grace’ to which you subscribe.
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266 posted on 07/02/2015 8:47:40 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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