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Negative judgment on Medjugorje could split Church, says noted Italian writer
CWN ^ | 06-24-2015 | Catholic World News

Posted on 06/25/2015 11:38:01 AM PDT by NRx

As rumors swirl in Rome that the Vatican will soon issue a statement on the reported Marian apparitions at Medjugorje, a noted Italian journalist has warned that a negative judgment could prompt “something like a schism.”

Vittorio Messori said that the Medjugorje phenomenon has brought about “the largest mass movement for a battered Catholicism since the Council.” He cited the many people whose faith has been rekindled by visits to the little town in Bosnia-Herzegovina where the first apparitions were reported.

Messori suggested that Pope Francis would be prudent to take no official position regarding the authenticity of the apparitions, but simply to take note of the spiritual fruits.

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1 posted on 06/25/2015 11:38:01 AM PDT by NRx
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To: NRx

Maybe the apparition in the sun are mirages due to climate change......


2 posted on 06/25/2015 11:42:46 AM PDT by 11th Commandment ("THOSE WHO TIRE LOSE")
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To: NRx

I hope the decision by the Vatican will be based on careful study and guided by the Holy Spirit - and not be driven by politics, fashion or fear.


3 posted on 06/25/2015 11:47:18 AM PDT by karnage
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To: NRx

Apparitions could be the restless spirit of Martin Luther returned to sow confusion among Catholics.


4 posted on 06/25/2015 11:53:14 AM PDT by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." --Calvin Coolidge)
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To: NRx
If you want a vision from God:
Open your Bible. Pray the Holy Spirit's help in softening your heart and opening your eyes. And Read.
Rinse and repeat.
5 posted on 06/25/2015 11:55:49 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: eater-of-toast

“Apparitions could be the restless spirit of Martin Luther returned to sow confusion among Catholics.”

When WILL you be rid of that meddlesome priest!?!


6 posted on 06/25/2015 11:59:35 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: NRx

Oh please.

They embraced Mary as a Goddess less than a century ago, time to commit to Jesus as the one and ONLY way to get to the father and to heaven


7 posted on 06/25/2015 12:03:22 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
They embraced Mary as a Goddess less than a century ago

Uh, what?

8 posted on 06/25/2015 12:24:02 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: GeronL
They embraced Mary as a Goddess less than a century ago

A bunny with a pancake on his head told you this, right?

Mary is not, and has never been, a goddess, and the Church has never believed or taught anything different.

9 posted on 06/25/2015 12:48:50 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Pyro7480; GeronL

Some of these comments are amazing! It’s like watching one if those cartoons where one character is trying to bash the other one, but the target is nowhere around.


10 posted on 06/25/2015 12:53:34 PM PDT by Chicory
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To: Campion

>>>>>>>Mary is not, and has never been, a goddess, and the Church has never believed or taught anything different. <<<<<<<

The titles given to her by Rome says otherwise ...

Adam’s Deliverance
Advocate of Eve
Advocate of Sinners
All Chaste
All Fair and Immaculate
All Good
Annunciation by Saint Gabriel
Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin
Aqueduct of Grace
Archetype fo Purity and Innocence
Ark Gilded by the Holy Spirit
Ark of the Covenant
Assumption into Heaven
Assumption of the Blessed Virgin
Basillica of Saint Mary Major
Blessed Among Women
Blessed Virgin Mary
Bridal Chamber of the Lord
Bride of Christ
Bride of Heaven
Bride of the Canticle
Bride of the Father
Bride Unbrided
Cause of Our Joy
Chosen Before the Ages
Comfort of Christians
Comforter of the Afflicted
Conceived Without Original Sin
Consoler of the Afflicated
Court of the Eternal King
Created Temple of the Creator
Crown of Virginity
Daughter of Men
David’s Daughter
Deliverer From All Wrath
Deliverer of Christian Nations
Destroyer of Heresies
Dispenser of Grace
Dwelling Place for God
Dwelling Place Meet for God
Dwelling Place of the Illimitable
Dwelling Place of the Spirit
Earth Unsown
Earth Untouched and Virginal
Eastern Gate
Espousal of the Virgin Mary
Eve’s Tears Redeeming
Ever Green and Fruitful
Ever Virgin
Exalted Above the Angels
Expectation of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows
Feast of the Immaculate Conception
Fleece of Heavenly Rain
Flower of Carmel
Flower of Jesse’s Root
Formed Without Sin
Forthbringer of God
Forthbringer of the Ancient of Days
Forthbringer of the Tree of Life
Fountain of Living Water
Fountain Sealed
Free From Every Stain
Full of Grace
Garden Enclosed
Gate of Heaven
God’s Eden
God’s Olive Tree
God’s Vessel
Handmaid of the Lord
Healing Balm of Integrity
Health of the Sick
Helper of All in Danger
Holy in Soul and Body
Holy Mountain of Our Lady
Holy Protection of the Mother of God
Hope of Christians
House Built by Wisdom
House of Gold
Humility of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Immaculate
Immaculate Conception
Immaculate Heart
Immaculate Heart of Mary
Immaculate Mary
Immaculate Mother
Immaculate Virgin
Incorruptible Wood of the Ark
Inventrix of Grace
Inviolate
Joseph’s Spouse
King’s Mother
Kingly Throne
Lady Most Chaste
Lady Most Venerable
Lady of Good Help
Lady of Grace
Lady of Mercy
Lady of Peace
Lady of Perpetual Help
Lady of Sorrows
Lady of the Rosary
Lady of Victory
Lamp Unquenchable
Life-Giver to Posterity
Light Cloud of Heavenly Rain
Lily Among Thorns
Living Temple of the Diety
Loom of the Incarnation
Madonna del Pilerio
Madonna of Giubino
Madonna of Miracles
Madonna of Saint Luke
Madonna of the Miracles
Marketplace for Salutary Exchange
Mary of the Assumptions
Mary of the Hurons
Mary the Blessed Virgin
Mary, Blessed Virgin
Mary, Help of Christians
Mary, Mediatrix of All Graces
Mary, Mother of God
Mary, Queen of Africa
Mary, Queen of Angels
Mary, Queen of Peace
Mary, Star of the Sea
Mary, Virgin Mother of Grace
Mary’s Immaculate Conception
Mater Dei
Maternity of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Mediatrix
Mediatrix and Conciliatrix
Mediatrix of All Graces
Mediatrix of Salvation
Mediatrix of the Mediator
Minister of Life
Mirror of Justice
More Beautiful Than Beauty
More Glorious Than Paradise
More Gracious Than Grace
More Holy Than the Cherubim, the Seraphim, and the Entire Angelic Hosts
Morning Star
Most Holy Name of Mary
Most Venerable
Mother and Virgin
Mother Inviolate
Mother Most Admirable
Mother Most Amiable
Mother Most Chaste
Mother Most Pure
Mother of Christ’s Members
Mother of Christians
Mother of Divine Grace
Mother of God
Mother of Good Counsel
Mother of Jesus Christ
Mother of Men
Mother of Our Creator
Mother of Our Head
Mother of Our Savior
Mother of the Church
Mother of the Mystical Body
Mother of Wisdom
Mother Undefiled
My Body’s Healing
My Soul’s Saving
Mystical Rose
Nature’s Re-Creation
Nature’s Restoration
Neck of the Mystical Body
Never Fading Wood
New Eve
Notre Dame of Paris
Notre Dame of Chartres
Notre Dame of Easton
Nourisher of God and Man
Olive Tree of the Father’s Compassion
Only Bridge of God to Men
Our Immaculate Queen
Our Lady in America
Our Lady Mediatrix of All Grace
Our Lady of Africa
Our Lady of Altagracia
Our Lady of Altotting
Our Lady of Arabia
Our Lady of Baeuraing
Our Lady of Bandel
Our Lady of Bandra
Our Lady of Banneux
Our Lady of Begoña
Our Lady of Bethlehem
Our Lady of Calvary
Our Lady of Charity
Our Lady of Consolation
Our Lady of Copacabana
Our Lady of Coromoto
Our Lady of Covadonga
Our Lady of Czestochowa
Our Lady of Europe
Our Lady of Fatima
Our Lady of Giubino
Our Lady of Good Counsel
Our Lady of Good Help
Our Lady of Grace
Our Lady of Guadalupe
Our Lady of Guadalupe of Estramadura
Our Lady of High Grace
Our Lady of Hungary
Our Lady of Japan
Our Lady of Kevelaer
Our Lady of Knock
Our Lady of La Leche
Our Lady of La Vang
Our Lady of Las Vegas
Our Lady of LaSallette
Our Lady of Lebanon
Our Lady of Liesse
Our Lady of Limerick
Our Lady of Loreto
Our Lady of Lourdes
Our Lady of Lujan
Our Lady of Madhu
Our Lady of Mariazell
Our Lady of Mercy
Our Lady of Meritxell
Our Lady of Miracles
Our Lady of Montserrat
Our Lady of Mount Carmel
Our Lady of Mount Carmel at Aylesford
Our Lady of Nazareth
Our Lady of Peace
Our Lady of Perpetual Help
Our Lady of Pilar
Our Lady of Pompeii
Our Lady of Pontmain
Our Lady of Prompt Succor
Our Lady of Providence
Our Lady of Ransom
Our Lady of Safe Travel
Our Lady of Saint Luke
Our Lady of Salambao
Our Lady of Shongweni
Our Lady of Sorrows
Our Lady of Tears
Our Lady of the Americas
Our Lady of the Angels
Our Lady of the Assumption
Our Lady of the Cape
Our Lady of the Conquest
Our Lady of the Flight into Egypt
Our Lady of the Golden Heart
Our Lady of the Gulf
Our Lady of the Hermits
Our Lady of the Highways
Our Lady of the Holy Letter
Our Lady of the Holy Rosary
Our Lady of the Holy Souls
Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception
Our Lady of the Incarnation
Our Lady of the Kodiak and the Islands
Our Lady of the Milk and Happy Delivery
Our Lady of the Miracles
Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal
Our Lady of the Most Blessed Sacrament
Our Lady of the Most Holy Rosary
Our Lady of the Pillar of Saragossa
Our Lady of the Pines
Our Lady of the Prairie
Our Lady of the Presentation
Our Lady of the Rosary
Our Lady of the Snow
Our Lady of the Snows
Our Lady of the Thorns
Our Lady of the Turumba
Our Lady of the Valley
Our Lady of the Wayside
Our Lady of the Woods
Our Lady of Victories
Our Lady of Victory
Our Lady of Walsingham
Our Lady of Washington
Our Lady Who Appeared
Our Lady, Cause of Our Joy
Our Lady, Gate of Heaven
Our Lady, Help of Christians
Our Lady, Mother of the Church
Our Lady, Queen of All Saints
Our Lady, Queen of the Apostles
Our Lady, Refuge of Sinners
Our Own Sweet Mother
Paradise Fenced Against the Serpent
Paradise of Innocence and Immortality
Paradise of the Second Adam
Paradise Planted by God
Patronage of Our Lady
Patroness and Protectoress
Perfume of Faith
Presentation of Mary at the Temple
Preserved From All Sin
Protectress From All Hurt
Purification of Mary
Purity of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Queen of All Saints
Queen of Angels
Queen of Creation
Queen of Heaven
Queen of Heaven and Earth
Queen of Martyrs
Queen of Nigeria
Queen of Peace
Queen Unconquered
Queenship of Mary
Refuge in Time of Danger
Refuge of Sinners
Reparatrix
Reparatrix of Her Parents
Reparatrix of the Lord World
Rich in Mercy
Rose Ever Blooming
Salve Regina
Sanctuary of the Holy Spirit
Scepter of Orthodoxy
Seat of Wisdom
Second Eve
Singular Vessel of Devotion
Sister and Mother
Source of Virginity
Spiritual Vessel
Spotless Dove of Beauty
Star of the Sea
Star That Bore the Sea
Suppliant for Sinners
Surpassing Eden’s Gardens
Surpassing the Heavens
Surpassing the Seraphim
Sweet Flowering and Gracious Mercy
Tabernacle of God
Tabernacle of the Word
Temple Divine
Temple Indestructible
Temple of the Lord’s Body
Theotokos
Throne of the King
Tower of David
Tower of Ivory
Tower Unassailable
Treasure House of Life
Treasure of Immortality
Treasure of the World Undefiled
Undefiled Treasure of Virginity
Undug Well of Remission’s Waters
Unlearned in the Ways of Eve
Unplowed Field of Heaven’s Bread
Unwatered Vineyard of Immortality’s Wine
Vessel of Honor
Victor Over the Serpent
Virgin by the Sea
Virgin Inviolate
Virgin Most Faithful
Virgin Most Merciful
Virgin Most Powerful
Virgin Most Prudent
Virgin Most Pure
Virgin Mother
Virgin of Charity
Virgin of Copacabana
Virgin of Sheshan
Virgin of Virgins
Visitation of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Wedded to God
Woman Clothed With the Sun
Workshop of the Incarnation

And then there are all the bathtub Marys that grace Catholic “landscaping “


11 posted on 06/25/2015 12:59:51 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: NRx

This is at best, private revelation. Not binding.

IF this splits the church, then those leaving are taking it as public revelation.


12 posted on 06/25/2015 1:05:48 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: RnMomof7

And where in that list does it say that Mary is a god? If Protestant objections to Catholicism were valid they would not have to resort to falsehoods.


13 posted on 06/25/2015 1:40:44 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: NRx

I think this is overwrought. There are not many, in terms of the whole Catholic population, who care strongly about Medjugorje either way.


14 posted on 06/25/2015 2:25:36 PM PDT by Tax-chick (You know I don't find this stuff amusing anymore.)
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To: RnMomof7

Where is “Goddess” on that list?


15 posted on 06/25/2015 2:26:43 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Tax-chick

There are more “Extraordinary Form” Mass devotees than people who care about that.


16 posted on 06/25/2015 2:40:28 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Pyro7480

I’m sure you’re right.

I’ve known several people who have made pilgrimages to Medjugorie. The positive experiences they had are not conditional on the authenticity of the apparitions. I hope they will not be too hurt if the ruling is negative.


17 posted on 06/25/2015 2:43:56 PM PDT by Tax-chick (You know I don't find this stuff amusing anymore.)
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To: RnMomof7

Jesus, Son of the living God
Jesus, splendor of the Father,
Jesus, brightness of eternal light.
Jesus, King of glory.
Jesus, sun of justice.
Jesus, Son of the Virgin Mary.
Jesus, most amiable.
Jesus, most admirable.
Jesus, the mighty God.
Jesus, Father of the world to come.
Jesus, angel of great counsel.
Jesus, most powerful.
Jesus, most patient.
Jesus, most obedient.
Jesus, meek and humble of heart.
Jesus, lover of chastity.
Jesus, lover of us.
Jesus, God of peace.
Jesus, author of life.
Jesus, example of virtues.
Jesus, zealous lover of souls.
Jesus, our God.
Jesus, our refuge.
Jesus, father of the poor.
Jesus, treasure of the faithful.
Jesus, good Shepherd.
Jesus, true light.
Jesus, eternal wisdom.
Jesus, infinite goodness.
Jesus, our way and our life.
Jesus, joy of Angels.
Jesus, King of the Patriarchs.
Jesus, Master of the Apostles.
Jesus, teacher of the Evangelists.
Jesus, strength of Martyrs.
Jesus, light of Confessors.
Jesus, purity of Virgins.
Jesus, crown of Saints.
Heart of Jesus, Son of the Eternal Father, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, formed by the Holy Spirit in the Virgin Mother’s womb,
Heart of Jesus, substantially united to the Word of God.
Heart of Jesus, of infinite majesty.
Heart of Jesus, holy temple of God.
Heart of Jesus, tabernacle of the Most High.
Heart of Jesus, house of God and gate of heaven.
Heart of Jesus, glowing furnace of charity.
Heart of Jesus, vessel of justice and love.
Heart of Jesus, full of goodness and love.
Heart of Jesus, abyss of all virtues.
Heart of Jesus, most worthy of all praise.
Heart of Jesus, King and center of all hearts.
Heart of Jesus, in whom are all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
Heart of Jesus, in whom dwells all the fullness of the Godhead.
Heart of Jesus, in whom the Father was well pleased.
Heart of Jesus, of whose fullness we have all received.
Heart of Jesus, desire of the everlasting hills.
Heart of Jesus, patient and rich in mercy.
Heart of Jesus, rich to all who call upon You.
Heart of Jesus, fount of life and holiness.
Heart of Jesus, propitiation for our offenses.
Heart of Jesus, overwhelmed with reproaches.
Heart of Jesus, bruised for our iniquities.
Heart of Jesus, obedient even unto death.
Heart of Jesus, pierced with a lance.
Heart of Jesus, source of all consolation.
Heart of Jesus, our life and resurrection.
Heart of Jesus, our peace and reconciliation.
Heart of Jesus, victim for our sins.
Heart of Jesus, salvation of those who hope in You.
Heart of Jesus, hope of those who die in You.
Heart of Jesus, delight of all saints.
Blood of Christ, only-begotten Son of the eternal Father,
Blood of Christ, Incarnate Word of God,
Blood of Christ, of the New and Eternal Testament,
Blood of Christ, falling upon the earth in Agony,
Blood of Christ, shed profusely in the Scourging,
Blood of Christ, flowing forth in the Crowning with Thorns,
Blood of Christ, poured out on the Cross,
Blood of Christ, price of our salvation,
Blood of Christ, without which there is no forgiveness,
Blood of Christ, Eucharistic drink and refreshment of souls,
Blood of Christ, stream of mercy,
Blood of Christ, victor over demons,
Blood of Christ, courage of Martyrs,
Blood of Christ, strength of Confessors,
Blood of Christ, bringing forth Virgins,
Blood of Christ, help of those in peril,
Blood of Christ, relief of the burdened,
Blood of Christ, solace in sorrow,
Blood of Christ, hope of the penitent,
Blood of Christ, consolation of the dying,
Blood of Christ, peace and tenderness of hearts,
Blood of Christ, pledge of eternal life,
Blood of Christ, freeing souls from purgatory,
Blood of Christ, most worthy of all glory and honor


18 posted on 06/25/2015 2:47:07 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Petrosius; RnMomof7

“Wedded to God” and Queen of Heaven and Earth” would merit a demi-goddess status at least.


19 posted on 06/25/2015 3:05:18 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: NRx

No, it won’t.


20 posted on 06/25/2015 6:57:54 PM PDT by vladimir998
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