Posted on 06/23/2015 10:06:16 AM PDT by RnMomof7
The Eucharist is the source and summit of the Christian life, and is the heart and the summit of the Churchs life, says the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1324, 1407). And the prayer of thanksgiving and consecration, is the heart and summit of the celebration (1352). It is at the utterance of the consecration, the priests words, This is My body, and This is the cup of My blood, that the bread and wine are said to be transubstantiated into the actual body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ:
By the consecration the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ is brought about. Under the consecrated species of bread and wine Christ himself, living and glorious, is present in a true, real, and substantial manner: his Body and his Blood, with his soul and his divinity. (1413)
Because the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ is said to be present under the species of bread, the Roman Catholic Church has determined that it is unnecessary to administer the Lords Supper to the sheep under both speciesbread and wineso members of the flock typically receive the supper under the species of bread alone: Since Christ is sacramentally present under each of the species, communion under the species of bread alone makes it possible to receive all the fruit of Eucharistic grace (1390).
It is in this manner that Roman Catholicism honoureth Me with their lips (Matthew 15:8) by this do[ing] in remembrance of me (1 Corinthians 11:24), while at the same time making the word of God of none effect (Mark 7:13) by nullifying His Words which also say, this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me (1 Corinthians 11:25).
Then, after having the cup withheld from them, the sheep are told to worship the bread before eating it. We understand that it offends Roman Catholics deeply that we portray them as worshiping bread, but bread is exactly what Jesus (John 13:18), Paul (1 Corinthians 11:26-28) and Cleopas (Luke 24:18, 35) called it even after it was consecrated. And it is thiswhat Jesus, Paul and Cleopas all called breadthat Roman Catholics are instructed to adore.
Roman Catholics are taught to show reverence for the bread by not calling it bread, and by bowing to it prior to eating it. Bishop William K. Weigand of Sacramento, California, for example, issued a statement some time ago calling for more reverence toward Jesus in the Eucharist, requesting that Roman Catholics show reverence by making a slight bow when receiving Communion, [and] by referring to the consecrated Species as the Body of Christ or the Blood of Christand not the bread and wine (The Wanderer, Volume 127, number 32, August 11, 1994, Sacramento Bishop Offers Some Liturgical Reminders, page 1).
We will continue to call it bread, for that is what it is, and we certainly see no need to bow to it, genuflect to it, or give to it the worship of latria, which is due to God alone. But that is precisely what Rome prescribes to the flock:
Worship of the Eucharist. In the liturgy of the Mass we express our faith in the real presence of Christ under the species of bread and wine by, among other ways, genuflecting or bowing deeply as a sign of adoration of the Lord. The Catholic Church has always offered and still offers to the sacrament of the Eucharist the cult of adoration, not only during Mass, but also outside of it, reserving the consecrated hosts with the utmost care, exposing them to the solemn veneration of the faithful, and carrying them in procession. (1378)
The citation in paragraph 1378 is from Pope Paul VIs Mysterium Fidei, in which he also taught,
the Catholic Church has at all times paid this great Sacrament the worship known as latria, which may be given to God alone. As St. Augustine says: It was in His flesh that Christ walked among us and it is His flesh that He has given us to eat for our salvation; but no one eats of this flesh without having first adored it . . . and not only do we not sin in thus adoring it, but we would be sinning if we did not do so. (Mysterium Fidei, 55)
The latria that Rome offers to the host is the same that God reserves for Himself. The Roman Catholic Church calls this Eucharistic Adoration. Thus Roman Catholics are taught that Adoration is the highest form of worship given to God, and the Mass is the highest form of adoration that exists.
Just to be clear, it is the host that is the object of the latria. It is called host because it is derived from the latin hostia for victim, referring to the person or thing being sacrificed. Christ is alleged to be the hostia in the Sacrifice of the Mass, and it is the host that is being worshiped in the photograph, above. Just watch EWTN some evening when Mass is being said, and youll see the people fall on their faces before the host when the words of consecration, This is My body, are said. It is at that moment, we are told, that the bread is transubstantiated into the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christand being God, it is to be worshiped with latria. So they say.
We do not believe that transubstantiation actually occurs, but because the transubstantiation does not take place does not mean that the host is not still the object of Roman Catholic adoration. It is. The worship paid to the host is no less latria because the transubstantiation did not occur. What is worshiped in the Mass is bread, and nothing more. And since the source and summit of the Christian life is ostensibly the Mass, and the highest form of adoration humans can offer to God is that adoration that Roman Catholics offer in the Mass, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that the core of the Roman Catholic religion is bread worship.
But, says the Roman Catholic, Pope Paul VI said that Augustine practiced Eucharistic adoration, and therefore, so should Protestants. Before we Protestants run off to condemn Augustine for idolatry, it would be helpful to cite him in context and give some background on his words, no one eats of this flesh without having first adored it. Is Augustine speaking of Eucharistic adoration? Hardly. Augustine denies Transubstantiation in the very commentary in which Paul VI quotes him.
When Augustine wrote no one eats of this flesh without having first adored it, he was reading what we call Psalm 99:5, Exalt the LORD our God and worship at his footstool; he is holy. But Augustine was reading the Latin Vulgate. In the Vulgate it is Psalm 98:5, and it reads, exaltate Dominum Deum nostrum et adorate scabillum pedum eius quia sanctus est, or in Roman Catholic Douay-Rheims English, Exalt ye the Lord our God, and adore his footstool, for it is holy. In the Hebrew it is God who is worshiped, for He is holy (Psalms 99:5) and we bow at His footstool to worship Him. In the Vulgate, it is the footstool that is adored, and Roman Catholics are taught to worship the footstool, for it is holy.
Augustine struggled here because his Latin version was at two removes from the original language, being a Latin translation of the Greek translation of the Hebrew (Augustine, An Exposition of the Psalms, Introduction by Michael Fiedrowicz, pg. 22, From The Works of St. Augustine: A Translation for the 21st Century, Book III, vole 15, Exposition of Psalms 1-32.).
As Augustine wrestled, we can feel the tension introduced by the Latin version: Adore His footstool? But that would be idolatry. Thats what Augustine was trying to sort out. Why would he adore something that is not God, even if it is holy? If the earth is Gods footstool (Isaiah 66:1, Matthew 5:35), should Augustine worship the earth? Augustine tried to think his way out of the box, starting with the Latin mistranslation (for it is holy) of the Greek translation (for He is holy) of the Hebrew (He is holy):
I am in doubt; I fear to worship the earth, lest He who made the heaven and the earth condemn me; again, I fear not to worship the footstool of my Lord, because the Psalm bids me, fall down before His footstool. I ask, what is His footstool? And the Scripture tells me, the earth is My footstool. In hesitation I turn unto Christ, since I am herein seeking Himself: and I discover how the earth may be worshipped without impiety, how His footstool may be worshipped without impiety. For He took upon Him earth from earth; because flesh is from earth, and He received flesh from the flesh of Mary. And because He walked here in very flesh, and gave that very flesh to us to eat for our salvation; and no one eats that flesh, unless he has first worshipped: we have found out in what sense such a footstool of our Lords may be worshipped, and not only that we sin not in worshipping it, but that we sin in not worshipping. (Augustine, An Exposition of the Psalms, 99.8)
We note that Augustine was wrestling with what appeared to be conflicting commands, and he determined that the only possible way he could worship the earth without committing idolatry was to worship Christ in the flesh. When he says we do not sin by worshiping but we sin by not worshiping, the object of His worship is Christ, not the Eucharist. And it is Christ Incarnate Whom we worship, for the Lamb Who was slain and sits at the right hand of the Father (Hebrews 1:13) still bears the scars He received in the flesh (Revelation 5:6).
It almost hurts to look over Augustines shoulder as he thinks through this based on a mistranslation of a Greek translation of the Hebrew. But he manages to sort his way through, and concludes that worship His footstool must mean worship Jesus. We cannot approve of Augustines logic, but his conclusion is valid, nonetheless. But Paul VIs use of Augustine suggests that Augustine taught that it was a sin not to worship the Eucharist. In what sense does Augustines commentary on Psalm 99:5 support Eucharistic Adoration?
The answer is Not in any way, for Augustine concludes his comments on Psalm 99:5 by soundly and explicitly rejecting the Roman Catholic interpretation of John 6:53, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. The Roman Catholic interpretation of John 6:53 is that Jesus taught that we are to eat the very flesh that hung on the cross, and drink the very blood that flowed from Jesus side. Paul VI taught that the Eucharist is
the true body of Christwhich was born of the Virgin and which hung on the Cross as an offering for the salvation of the worldand the true blood of Christwhich flowed from His side. (Mysterium Fidei, 52)
But Augustine rejects this explicitly, and has Jesus explaining at John 6:63, Understand spiritually what I have said; you are not to eat this body which you see; nor to drink that blood which they who will crucify Me shall pour forth. (Augustine, An Exposition of the Psalms, 99.8).
It is remarkable, is it not, that Paul VI used Augustine to support Eucharistic Adoration, in a commentary where Augustine taught the opposite of what Rome and her Apologists teach about Transubstantiation?
We, of course, do not rely on Augustine for our knowledge of the Word. We must remember the context in which Jesus spoke. He had just reminded the crowd following Him that they were unbelievers, pursuing Him only to have their bellies filled with bread (John 6:26-36). Therein Jesus instructed those that would truly follow Him that he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst (John 6:35). Coming after Him and believing His words was the one thing those followers would not do.
Rather than pursuing Jesus to see him multiply bread, they ought to come to Him and believe in what He was saying: Eating is coming to Him to hear the Word of God, and drinking is believing in the Word of God:
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. (John 6:45)
Eating as coming to Him, and drinking as believing in Him, are the metaphors Jesus establishes before He ever says Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life (John 6:54).
Thus, Roman Catholics attempt to follow Him in the Mass, but leave the Mass only with their bellies filled, but still not finding eternal life. Because they do not believe His Wordsfor they certainly do not believe this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me (1 Corinthians 11:25)bread is all they have, and bread is all they worship. And thus it can be said of Rome, he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
ye also have seen me, and believe not (John 6:35-36).
Just because the ordinary way to receive the Holy Spirit is by the laying on of hands it does not mean that God cannot give an extraordinary gift to others. The fact is that the passages I gave show that the Holy Spirit was received by the laying on of hands after having faith. This cannot be denied.
You can rely on your human rationalization. I will rely on what our Lord actually said.
Why?
Are these normative?
Should we build doctrine around any one?
What is unique about Cornelius and the Samaritans?
Read Acts....and answer the questions. You might be surprised at what you learn.
Wow, the Self and Self Alone cult has totally abandoned both Christ and the Bible.
Christ also healed on the Sabbath (apparently, because we know Christ can do no wrong) breaking Levitical law. “Do you not know that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath?” It would not be the first time Christ set things on their head.
We have a new covenant and the old dietary laws were specifically done away with in the NT. And if the life is in the blood, then we have the life of Christ in us when we drink His blood at His command. I’m sorry, your argument does not hold water.
And context will be your answer.
Have you gouged out your eyes or cut off your hands??
If you mean partaking in The Lord's Supper, doing this (eating bread and drinking wine) IN REMEMBRANCE of Christ...yes. If you mean the Roman Cult's re-sacrifice of Christ then... No.
I do read the Bible. You ought to try it sometime:
Ephesians 2:8-10
"8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them."
Romans 3:21-26
"21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus"
John 6:44-46
"44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets, And they will all be taught by God. Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me 46 not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. 47 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life."
John 14:6
"6 Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Galatians 2: 15-21
"15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16 yet we know that a person is not justified[b] by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
17 But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. 19 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness[c] were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose."
Romans 8:26-30
"15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16 yet we know that a person is not justified[b] by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified. 17 But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. 19 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness[c] were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose"
And more , and more, and more. Not church fathers, but God's holy, perfect, and inerrant word.
Again, I urge YOU to read it prayerfully, for it is my prayer that the Lord open your heart to his truth.
Hoss
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>> Jesus said this is my Body and this is my Blood. <<
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Proving conclusively that he was speaking of representation, rather than reality.
Being lead to the lake of fire by that which one falsely seeks salvation through is the chief feature of the catholic church.
Literally the path to damnation.
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Actually I know of Richard, and communicated with him many years ago..
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The eating of the Lamb had nothing to do with atonement.
Was this error deliberate, or do you simply need more time reading?
It is the blood.
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It always interests that Rc's have "faith" in a couple of the scriptures...but ignore the full message .
John 11;25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"
Bingo
How does the ‘literal blood’ in the cup at catholic Eucharist get spread upon the Mercy Seat in the living Temple of God?
If one reads the OT with understanding God coming as man..to walk the earth and get His feet dirty ...it no surprise.. simply fulfilling the entire message the OT.. To believe that one is saved or sanctified by eating the flesh of that man ...is no where seen except in those scriptures ... it is only seen in pagan cultures where cannibals take on the character of those they eat
Did the Jews miss the depth that God intended when they celebrated the passover ?
Amen
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