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Was The Papacy Established By Christ?
triablogue ^ | June 23, 2006 | Jason Engwer

Posted on 06/19/2015 12:01:57 PM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: I want the USA back
This guy makes one wonder about papal infallibility.

This has nothing to do with infallibility....only under very rigid circumstances, speaking Ex-Cathedra, on matters concerning Faith and Morals is he protected from error....other than that he is just a person who is entitled to express his opinion.

61 posted on 06/19/2015 2:05:05 PM PDT by terycarl (,)
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To: Doug Loss
No. The Catholic Church didn’t even exist till 1054 AD, when it schismed from the rest of Christianity (the Orthodox Church, hereinafter named)

Yeah, right....The Catholic church has buildings older than that.....sheesh..

62 posted on 06/19/2015 2:10:15 PM PDT by terycarl (,)
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To: PGR88

>> Ignore the Bible at your own peril.

I agree. Corollary: *add* to the Bible at your own peril.

To construe the rock of which JESUS spoke as anything other than Peter’s Spirit-given faith, and twist it into justification for a stream of mortal popes, is to subvert GOD’s inspired Word. And you do that at your own eternal peril.


63 posted on 06/19/2015 2:11:01 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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To: Mom MD
Peter = little rock or pebble. Christ is the Rock the Church is built on. Peter’s confession not Peter himself is what Christ was referring to. If your church is built on Peter I pity you, mine is built on Christ the sure foundation and Cornerstone

And your minister, in one of the thousands of different protestant denominations taught you that......O.K., I guess.

64 posted on 06/19/2015 2:15:16 PM PDT by terycarl (,)
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To: RJS1950
"Were the protestant denominations established by Christ?"

IF they follow the Bible, I would answer yes. The Reformation came about from abuses by the too-big-for-its-britches Catholic Church. Martin Luther was sent to correct some of these.

65 posted on 06/19/2015 2:20:02 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: RnMomof7

Matthew 28

The Commissioning of the Disciples.* 16f The eleven* disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had ordered them. 17* When they saw him, they worshiped, but they doubted. 18* g

Then Jesus approached and said to them, “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19h

Go, therefore,* and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, 20i teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.*

And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”

The Catholic Church has followed the instructions of Jesus to Baptize and Teach. The Catholic Church by work of her Bishops, Priests, Deacons and Members has done that, yet it is still a work in progress. In doing so, it became a larger organization (Body of Christ) and there was a need to establish order and leadership changes throughout the centuries. It is natural to have a leader and Christ established Peter as that leader and his successors continued to lead Catholics and grow the Body of Christ.

There have been many heresies and other religions that formed and left the Catholic Church. Including the Protestants that protested The teachings of Jesus. They insist on sola scripture with little leadership. They ignore some of the teachings of Jesus in the Bible and sacred traditions. They ignore the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

Yet they continue to dispute the leadership of the Catholic Church.

If they were the true church/ religion of Jesus, why wouldn’t they stress the positive Good News of Jesus instead of being so argumentative and negative?

Is there one true Church or did Jesus establish 30,000 different religions? Can everyone start their own church and believe their own personal opinion?

Remember that Jesus is always with us (Catholic Church).

All are welcome at the Catholic Church. Saints and sinners as we learn to love Jesus and our neighbors on our path toward salvation in Heaven.


66 posted on 06/19/2015 2:24:23 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: terycarl; Mom MD
"And your minister, in one of the thousands of different protestant denominations taught you that......O.K., I guess."

And your priest told you something different, terycarl? I would say you have a 50/50 chance of being right except the rest of the Scriptures support Jesus being the Rock of the Church.

67 posted on 06/19/2015 2:28:50 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: ADSUM
" Can everyone start their own church and believe their own personal opinion?"

Matthew 18:20 "For where two or more are gathered in My name, I am there in the midst of them". I'll take that as a YES as long as they go by the teachings in the Bible.

Remember that Jesus is always with us (Catholic Church).

I think you added that (Catholic Church) part because it ain't in my Bible.

68 posted on 06/19/2015 2:37:41 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Terry L Smith

If the answer is ‘yes’, why did it take over 200 years to decide which books were ‘in’ or ‘out’?


I believe they were somewhat preoccupied trying to avoid being fed to lions and such.


69 posted on 06/19/2015 3:16:39 PM PDT by rwa265
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

God you are very ignorant of the Bible. Ever heard of St Peter?


70 posted on 06/19/2015 3:19:55 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Walker for President 2016. The only candidate with actual real RESULTS!!!!! The rest...talkers!)
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To: napscoordinator; Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
God you are very ignorant of the Bible.

napscoordinator, you are not only falsely accusing your brother but at the same time using Gods name in vain proving you are the one guilty of ignorance. For shame!

71 posted on 06/19/2015 3:27:24 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Dr. Thorne
Christ is head of His Church. End of story.

True, and it is He, Himself, who is the Rock on which His church is built, not Peter.

72 posted on 06/19/2015 3:29:54 PM PDT by Mark17 (Take up they cross and follow me. I hear the blessed savior call. How can I make a lesser sacrifice?)
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To: NCDave

“it’s about putting someone between you and God and making money.”

Definitely. It’s what cults do. The papacy and all it entails is probably the biggest scam known to mankind.


73 posted on 06/19/2015 3:30:11 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: napscoordinator

“GOD you are very ignorant of the Bible. Ever heard of St Peter?”

Who’s “ignorant of the Bible”? Seems I read in the Bible that “Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.” (Exodus 20:7) Blaspheming by flinging around “God” is very, very naughty.

Most likely everyone has heard of Peter, who was/is as much a “saint” as I am. (And I am. All born again Christians are referred to as saints in the New Testament.) Now the Catholic church shakes some chicken bones over some mortal and pronounces him/her a “saint”. Not Scriptural in any way.

Also not Scriptural is saying “abracadabra” and decreeing that Peter is a/the pope. There is no connection in the Bible. The same person could’ve said that the desciple John morphed into his Great Aunt Fanny and that would have been equally logical — which is not logical at all.

“The rock” referred to is Jesus Christ; not Peter.

It would be nice if people would study and learn instead of sopping and believing up fairy tales made up by mortal men. Most Freepers are adamant that the Constitution be adhered to, and that it’s the final authority for the country. Why can’t they give that same honor and respect to the Bible, the Final Authority for Christianity? Sad.


74 posted on 06/19/2015 3:42:01 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: RnMomof7

The short answer is no.


75 posted on 06/19/2015 3:45:17 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: Resettozero
One could make an entire Roman religion apart from Christianity based upon wrong understanding of what Lord Jesus Christ actually said in this edited passage of the Bible above.

Not only could they, but they did exactly that. I just wonder what their initial motivation for it was?

76 posted on 06/19/2015 3:50:43 PM PDT by Mark17 (Take up they cross and follow me. I hear the blessed savior call. How can I make a lesser sacrifice?)
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To: Nervous Tick

+1


77 posted on 06/19/2015 3:52:46 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: Ingtar

Finally, the mention of petros vs. petra.


78 posted on 06/19/2015 3:53:32 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: terycarl

Small taters when you realize that YOUR priests are insisting you believe you are drinking the literal blood of Christ at the Eucharist/Remembrance. YOUR religion, Catholicism, believes their priests must sacrifice Jesus over and over and over again, as if His entering ONCE FOR ALL FOREVER into the Heavenly Holy of Holies with His perfect blood to spread upon the Mercy Seat above the laws was not sufficient for catholic Justification.


79 posted on 06/19/2015 3:57:19 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: mikeus_maximus

Amen bro.


80 posted on 06/19/2015 3:57:48 PM PDT by Mark17 (Take up they cross and follow me. I hear the blessed savior call. How can I make a lesser sacrifice?)
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