Was The Papacy Established By Christ?

triablogue ^ | June 23, 2006 | Jason Engwer

[MHGinTN]

Ooooops! I’ve interrupted an Elsiethon.

[Elsie]

Oh man!!

DU and I used to really go round and round!

He(?) always had a cheerful spirit in our discussions and not so grumpy as so many of them.

Restornu; now she was fun!

You never knew just which face she'd be wearing on a certain day.

So it was either pound her with facts or tease each other with silly cartoons and pictures.

[Elsie]

It’s time to go outside and fix my van’s alternator anyway.

See ya later.

[Lil Flower]

>Please, don’t spit on them as you spit now upon His family members trying to reach your heart.<

So you have concluded that you are a member of His family and I am not. Yet you insult me by calling me “blossom” and accuse me of spitting on His family.

Drama much? You can quote scripture all day long. You can tell me I’m going to hell and involved in sacrilege all you please. But there is absolutely nothing in your attitude or commentary that even remotely seems Christian.

By their fruits you will know them.

[Lil Flower]

Oh begging your pardon. I forgot who I was talking to. The modern day St Paul.

Maybe the Protestants on this thread should start worshipping the All knowing Cynical Bear.

[MHGinTN]

The term 'blossom' is meant to acknowledge full bloom, not a pejorative. Drinking the literal blood of Jesus Christ is contrary to the command of God, and in doing so as if to worship God is a sacrilege. Do you feel so convicted that you are pushed to attack in catholic holier than thou mode? Drinking the blood of Jesus is far more perilous than your characterization of me for attacking the catholic sacrilege. But if taking it personally, look to your own heart and discern the source of your emotion.

I know by His Promise that I am a family member. Don't try to put other words in my mouth. Your position in or outside of His family can only be discerned by your profession. By the mouth confession is made unto salvation. And one does not get born from above over and over again.

[bonfire]

From what I gather, Old Joe preached it during a bosom burning sermon.

[Mark17]

I seem to recall that Pharaoh had a lot of 'miracles' in his court...

That's true, but wasn't the first tennis game played in Egyot?

[Mark17]

More than 12...

Yes, more than 12. I thought the Virgin Mary received about 139 prayers per second, or something like that? Not bad I would say.

[Springfield Reformer]

We have plenty of miracle stories of our own. Kind of an interesting dilemma from a logical point of view. Two very different views of the proper worship of God, yet both claiming miracles:

1) If you would discount my miracle stories because you think my beliefs are incorrect, what prevents me from doing the same with yours?

2) But if we both accept each other's miracle stories as valid, then we are effectively saying our doctrinal differences don't matter, and I honestly don't think either of us are willing to say that.

So by force, we are both driven back to where we started, belief in one or another claimed source of divine truth, and not the miracles.

And that is probably as it should be. You know as well as I do (I hope) that in these last days Satan will be permitted to deceive the world with signs and wonders so powerful they could fool the very elect of God, if that sort of thing were possible, which it is not.

If we are to take that warning seriously, both of us, then we cannot begin our argument with the occurrence of miracles.  We must begin with divine revelation.  

Even Jesus did this.  The prophecies concerning Messiah, had they been unfulfilled or fulfilled incorrectly in Jesus, would have invalidated His ministry. The word of God was essential in proving Jesus to be the Son of God.  The miracles were just there for the hard of hearing. Yes, that was a metaphor. :)

So we're back to basics. You have no evidence whatsoever, from the text, that a transformative miracle occurred to the bread and wine at the Last Supper.  All you have is the classic form of a direct metaphor, A is B.  That's it.

Don't you think it is odd that every single physical miracle of Scripture is highlighted as a miracle by the inspired writer, yet in this one case alone, the most amazing physical miracle of all slips past the Gospel writers without so much as a whisper of a mention? As CS Lewis would say, rum thing, that.

Peace,

SR

[Mark17]

Did you know that this practice; or the requirement for it; is NOT found in ANY Mormon scripture?

Strange where it might come from!

I have a pretty good idea where Mormon doctrine comes from, and it wasn't the angel Moroni.

[Springfield Reformer]

Have you quit beating your wife?

Classic loaded question. But what I always wanted to know was, beat her at what? She doesn't play chess, cards, checkers, or monopoly. Once we played scrabble, and I don't remember the outcome. A most perplexing question. :)

Peace,

SR

[Springfield Reformer]

LOL, when you can come up with a verified rule that prohibits metaphor in certain conjugations of the verb of being, or in connection with possessive pronouns, let me know. It’ll be a landmark day in linguistics, and I want to be there to see it. :)

Peace,

SR

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

My Religion Tennessee? And what, pray tell is my religion? And what did I say to get such a lecture on the bread and the cup? Perhaps you have been to Colorado recently?

[StormPrepper]

http://www.mentalhealth.gov/get-help/

http://www.helpguide.org/articles/anxiety/obssessive-compulsive-disorder-ocd.htm

[MHGinTN]

IIRC, in post #407 you stated the following regarding the bread and cup:

So let’s look at what he said...>br> He did not say ‘this becomes my body’, He did not say, ‘this represents my body’. He said this IS my body, this IS my blood.
Take it for what he said. It does not become, it does not represent, It is!

Does that mean what it says, that you agree Jesus said to cannibalize His literal body and blood?

[MHGinTN]

Oh yeah, that was post #409

[af_vet_1981]

LOL, when you can come up with a verified rule that prohibits metaphor in certain conjugations of the verb of being, or in connection with possessive pronouns, let me know. It’ll be a landmark day in linguistics, and I want to be there to see it. :)

Almost aflame still you don't feel the heat
Takes all you got just to stay on the beat
You say it's a living, we all gotta eat
but you're here alone there's no one to compete
If mercy's in business I wish it for you
More than just ashes when your dreams come true

[RnMomof7]

ooooppppps

[RnMomof7]

Restornu; now she was fun!

is she still alive??