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To: ealgeone

Your comment:” Mary was not free from sin as believed by catholics in the immaculate conception.

Why?

She offered a sin offering after Christ was born per Luke 2:21-24. This would be in accordance with Lev 12:8.

But if she cannot afford a lamb, then she shall take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, the one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering; and the priest shall make atonement for her, and she will be clean.’” (Lev 12:8 NASB)

If Mary was free from sin, why would she need the sin offering?

My response:

This does not prove that Mary had sinned.
Mary would do this a the custom of Jews of that day after birth of a child. This was considered unclean, but giving birth is not a sin.
Mary may not have been informed that she was free from sin (I do not know).
Mary may not want to disclose her special status (Again, I do not know).
Anxiety? All humans have anxiety. Why would that be a sin?

Nice try. But you are really stretching it!


228 posted on 06/13/2015 8:37:38 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
This does not prove that Mary had sinned.

Mary would do this a the custom of Jews of that day after birth of a child. This was considered unclean, but giving birth is not a sin.

This was not a custom! This was keeping in accordance with the Law. The Word calls it a sin offering. Plain and simple.

from the pulpit commentary....Two things are noticeable here: first, that the burnt offering, symbolizing self-devotion, is far more costly and important than the sin offering, which had not to be offered for any individual personal sin, but only for human sin, "which had been indirectly manifested in her bodily condition"

Mary may not have been informed that she was free from sin (I do not know).

Good grief.

Mary may not want to disclose her special status (Again, I do not know).

Good grief Anxiety? All humans have anxiety. Why would that be a sin?

Worry.

Nice try. But you are really stretching it!

I give you proof you asked for you ignore the facts....and you say I'm stretching it. You're ignoring it.

229 posted on 06/13/2015 8:48:09 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ADSUM
This does not prove that Mary had sinned.

How can I 'prove' that ADSUM has sinned?

I can't follow him around all the time...

257 posted on 06/14/2015 4:29:45 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
Anxiety? All humans have anxiety. Why would that be a sin?

Anger? All humans have anger. Why would that be a sin?


Ephesians 4:26

258 posted on 06/14/2015 4:31:09 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
But you are really stretching it!

At least you've acknowledged that you do not know twice...

259 posted on 06/14/2015 4:32:15 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM

Mary said she had a savior.

She didn’t need a savior if she had not sinned.

The whole concept of Mary’s sinlessness is wishful,romanticized thinking on the part of Catholics.

The only requirement concerning Mary and Jesus is that she be a virgin at the time she gave Him birth.

The convoluted rationalization explaining why Mary needed to be sinless shows that there’s no support from Scripture for it.

Therefore it is not binding that anyone believe it.


268 posted on 06/14/2015 5:19:29 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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