BREAKING: Pope takes major step toward formal heresy

https://harvestingthefruit.com/breaking-pope-takes-major-step-toward-formal-heresy/ ^

[piusv]

"I feel like saying something that may sound controversial or even heretical. But there is someone who knows that despite our differences we are one. It is he who is persecuting us. It is he that is persecuting Christians today; he who is anointing us with the blood of martyrdom, knows that Christians are disciples of Christ. That we are one, that we are brothers! He doesn't care if they are Evangelicals, Orthodox, Lutherans, Catholics or Apostolic. He doesn't care! They are Christians."

[verga]

Go ahead and defend their heresy by silence while you protect them from bullies like me!

You seem to have missed this the first two time I said this: I may not agree with his philosophy/ theology, but I will defend to the death his right to practice it and express his beliefs. And the bullies on this list need to make sure they understand I will not stand by silently while they try to pound someone into silence with overwhelming numbers instead of spirited intelligent debate.

As I have said before the non-Catholics need to have a good look in the mirror and ask if their methods would please Jesus.

[verga]

Well said sir.

[metmom]

Oh, boo hoo.

You’re such a martyr.

[Elsie]

Where did those two at the transfiguration come from???

The Book doesn't say and Catholic teaching on it is at best a GUESS.

[Elsie]

Counter revolution may have existed, but it was to clarify the errors that the revolutionists proposed

Good morning Mr. Phelps.  Your mission; if you accept it; is to hie thee to WIKI and CORRECT the false information there.

 

As always; if you or any of your minions are caught...

 

 

 

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The Counter-Reformation (also the Catholic Revival^[1] or Catholic Reformation) was the period of Catholic resurgence beginning with the Council of Trent (1545–1563) and ending at the close of the Thirty Years' War (1648), and was initiated in response to the Protestant Reformation.

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Pope Paul III (1534–1549) is considered to be the first pope of the Counter-Reformation,^[2] and also initiated the Council of Trent (1545–1563), a commission of cardinals tasked with institutional reform, addressing contentious issues such as corrupt bishops and priests, indulgences, and other financial abuses.

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The Council upheld the basic structure of the Medieval Church, its sacramental system, religious orders, and doctrine. It rejected all compromise with the Protestants, restating basic tenets of the Roman Catholic faith. The Council upheld salvation appropriated by grace through faith and works of that faith (not just by faith, as the Protestants insisted) because "faith without works is dead", as the Epistle of St. James states (2:22-26).

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While the traditional fundamentals of the Church were reaffirmed, there were noticeable changes to answer complaints that the Counter-Reformers were, tacitly, willing to admit were legitimate.

[Elsie]

Nope, she shouted it to the world, but many did not hear her...too bad, she had a lot to say.

Oh; like THIS???

While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son's MOM, whom I love; with him her I am well pleased. Listen to him her!”

[Elsie]

Nope, she shouted it to the world, but many did not hear her...too bad, she had a lot to say.

Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished.

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Re-incarnated??

[Elsie]

I have to repeat LOTS of things!

\New people come to FR all the time!

[Elsie]

They gravitate toward the fundamentalist / Evangelical and in my experience nearly always protestant, side of Christianity.

Well!

It's no WONDER that you want to share the following with your Sunday School class!

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Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

People that purposefully alienate others by telling them they are in a "cult" doesn't make those people clever or pious.

Oh boo hoo; Boo HOO!

Pardon, Ma'am; but are you by any chance a member of the 'Whore of Babylon'?

[Elsie]

And they all think they are going to heaven. What kind of a heaven is filled with people like that? And why would I want to spend eternity with those people???

Only 15% or so of all Mormons make it to the TOP level of their Heaven.

Will YOU be among them?

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HEAVEN-The Mormon church teaches there are three levels of heaven (three "degrees of glory"):

Celestial - for Mormons who have kept ALL of the laws and ordinances of their church.

Terrestrial - for religious people who aren't Mormons and for Mormons who have not met the requirements of the Church.

Telestial - where unbelievers go

 

 

 

HELL: A place of torment from which the worst of sinners are resurrected (if they repent) into the Telestial kingdom; only a limited number remain in hell forever, - the devil and the demons and apostates who consciously reject and work against Mormonism.

 

SALVATION: A word that Mormons qualify in one of three ways: unconditional or general salvation is simply resurrection from the dead, granted to all through Christ's atonement; conditional or individual salvation involves entering the celestial kingdom through works of Mormonism; full salvation means exaltation to become a God as a result of temple ceremonies and other works. The word 'salvation' can have a two-fold meaning: a) forgiveness of sins and b) universal resurrection:

• "There will be a General Salvation for all in the sense in which that term is generally used, but salvation, meaning resurrection, is not exaltation" (Stephen L. Richards, Contributions of Joseph Smith, LDS tract, p.5).
• "All men are saved by grace alone without any act on their part, meaning they are resurrected" (Bruce McConkie, What Mormons Think of Christ", LDS tract, p.28).

The Mormons have several different levels of "salvation".

• General salvation- in Mormon theology, the death of Christ ransoms men from the effects of the fall (Mormon Doctrine, p.62), except for a few sons of perdition who fell with Lucifer. Thus, all mankind will eventually receive general salvation because all men will be resurrected.
• Individual salvation - to obtain individual salvation, the standards set forth by the Mormon church must be met. This comes by grace plus baptism plus works.
• Exaltation - different degrees of exaltation
• Eternal life on the other hand is reserved for the elite few who qualify and are found worthy of this "honor" or "reward" and who will move on to be "exalted." This salvation is in fact the personal "exaltation" or the fast track of the "eternal progression" process in attaining your own self-made status of godhood in order to people your own planet.

[Elsie]

Well said sir.

The Mormon church teaches there are three levels of heaven (three "degrees of glory"):

[Elsie]

I may not agree with his philosophy/ theology, but I will defend to the death his right to practice it and express his beliefs.

But you seem REALLY upset when I express Mine!

[Elsie]

And the bullies on this list need to make sure they understand I will not stand by silently while they try to pound someone into silence with overwhelming numbers instead of spirited intelligent debate.

HOW many Catholics are trying to silence Prots??

[Elsie]

As I have said before the non-Catholics need to have a good look in the mirror and ask if their methods would please Jesus.

The Catholics need to have a good look in the mirror and ask if their methods would please Jesus.

(Did his MOM SHOUT to the pope just how hot to make the oil?)

[CynicalBear]

So now you’re saying that God did have physical sex with Mary? I thought you had denied that any Mormon claimed that. And why would you restrict God to human procreation?

[Elsie]

When an old man died in the geriatric ward of a nursing home in North Platte , Nebraska , it was believed that he had nothing left of any value.

Later, when the nurses were going through his meager possessions, they found this poem. Its quality and content so impressed the staff that copies were made and distributed to every nurse in the hospital. One nurse took her copy to Missouri .

The old man's sole bequest to posterity has since appeared in the Christmas edition of the News Magazine of the St. Louis Association for Mental Health. A slide presentation has also been made based on his simple, but eloquent, poem.

And this little old man, with nothing left to give to the world, is now the author of this 'anonymous' poem winging across the Internet:

 

Crabby Old Man

What do you see nurses? What are you thinking A crabby old man, Uncertain of habit,	What do you see? when you're looking at me? who is not very wise, with faraway eyes?
Who dribbles his food, When you say in a loud voice, Who seems not to notice And forever is losing	and makes no reply. 'I do wish you'd try!'  the things that you do. a sock or shoe?
Who, resisting or not, With bathing and feeding Is that what you're thinking? Then open your eyes, nurse:	lets you do as you will, the long day to fill? Is that what you see? you're not looking at me.
I'll tell you who I am, As I do at your bidding, I'm a small child of Ten,  Brothers and sisters	as I sit here so still, as I eat at your will. with a father and mother, who love one another.
A young boy of Sixteen, Dreaming that soon now A groom soon at Twenty, Remembering, the vows	with wings on his feet. a lover he'll meet. my heart gives a leap. that I promised to keep.
At Twenty-Five, now Who need me to guide, A man of Thirty, Bound to each other	I have young of my own. and a secure happy home. my young now grown fast, with ties that should last.
At Forty, my young sons But my woman's beside me At Fifty, once more, Again, we know children;	have grown and are gone, to see I don't mourn. babies play 'round my knee, my loved one and me.
Dark days are upon me: I look at the future, For my young are all rearing And I think of the years	my wife is now dead. and shudder with dread. young of their own. and the love that I've known.
I'm now an old man Tis jest to make old age The body, it crumbles; There is now a stone	and nature is cruel.  look like a fool. grace and vigor, depart. where I once had a heart.
But inside this old carcass, And now and again I remember the joys; And I'm loving and living	a young guy still dwells, my battered heart swells. I remember the pain. life over again.
I think of the years, all too few: And accept the stark fact So open your eyes, people; Not a crabby old man;	gone too fast.  that nothing can last. open and see. Look closer . . . see ME!!

 

[Elsie]

 

 

 

Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

February 2nd, 2014

URGENT!

It's been noted there has been a DRASTIC falloff in the number of MORMONs who  actually can (or will) engage in opposing ANTIs on FreeRepulic (spit!)

I am forced to re-issue and old memo you all received about 3 years ago.

 

 

Fellow MORMON Freeper Christians!!

I've been getting lots of feedback from those of you on Free Republic (spit) about certain FReepers who are REALLY giving us a hard time there.

 

Why not try to point out to the uninformed how CONSUMED they seem to be.

 

Let's see if we can tangle them up so much trying to defend their reputation that they'll no longer have as much time to post facts about MORMONism.

 

As always, Tommy M.

[Mark17]

But you seem REALLY upset when I express Mine!

I was wondering when someone would say that.

[verga]

But you seem REALLY upset when I express Mine!

No , I seek to defend the Church that Jesus started, the Catholic Church. When Prots make up stuff I step in.