They include posting yesterday's comics that have no bearing on the topic, ping everyone and their brother to pile on and slinging verse out of context.

Bernadine: …all gifts, all virtues, and all graces are dispensed by the hands of Mary to whomsoever, when, and as she pleases. O Lady, since thou art the dispenser of all graces, and since the grace of salvation can ONLY come through thy hands, OUR SALVATION DEPENDS ON THEE.

Bonaventure: …the gates of heaven will open to all who confide in the protection of Mary. Blessed are they who know thee, O Mother of God, for the knowledge of THEE is the high road to everlasting life, and the publication of thy virtues is the way of ETERNAL SALVATION . Give ear, O ye nations; and all you who desire heaven , serve, honor Mary, and certainly you will find ETERNAL LIFE.

Ephem: …devotion to the divine Mother…is the unlocking of the heavenly Jerusalem.

Blosius: To the, O Lady, are committed the KEYS and the treasures of the kingdom of Heaven.

Ambrose: …constantly pray ‘Open to us, O Mary, the gates of paradise, since thou hast its KEYS.

Fulgetius: …by Mary God descended from Heaven into the world, that by HER man might ascend from earth to Heaven.

Athanasius: …And, thou, O Lady, wast filled with grace, that thou mightiest be the way of our SALVATION and the means of ascent to the heavenly Kingdom.

Richard of Laurence: Mary, in fine, is the mistress of heaven; for there she commands as she wills, and ADMITS whom she wills.

Guerric: …he who serves Mary and for whom she intercedes, is as CERTAIN of heaven as if he were already there…and those who DO NOT serve Mary will NOT BE SAVED.

Anselm: It suffices, O Lady, that thou willest it, and our SALVATION is certain.

Antoninus: …souls protected by Mary, and on which she casts her eyes, are NECESSARILY JUSTIFIED AND SAVED.

I may not agree with his philosophy or theology but I will gladly defend him against the christian pose wannabes bullies that want to silence him by piling on.

If the FR Mormons were not such wusses; there'd be no PILING on; for they'd join the fray like they USED to do when their LOSER Romney was being PUSHED thru this website.

Go ahead and defend their heresy by silence while you protect them from bullies like me!

The early Christians soon became known as Catholic...by the first century...

Documentation?

Mary - Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church -Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Getting your information about Catholicism from anti-Catholic web sites can give you an incorrect impression of Church teaching.

If you want to convert Catholics, you really should know what the Church teaches.

I don't want to have to drop down out of Heaven, to pull your tail out of purgatory, 🔥

There are few things in life that we can be assured of and one of them is a Catholic NEVER having to be pulled up to Heaven by a protestant......ever.

The poor thing left those behind when he was MARTYERED by EVIL 'christians'!

(While SHOOTING at them from inside the jail.)

This thread?

You keep sounding off, and I might not put in a good word with St Peter for you.

I have a personal promise from Jesus' mom and you are concerned with St. Peter, one of His friends.....HA-HA...I win.

Yes, and where do you suppose that they are???

Exactly where the bible says they are!

Psalm 13:3
Look on me and answer, Lord my God. Give light to my eyes, or I will sleep in death,

Psalm 90:5
Yet you sweep people away in the sleep of death— they are like the new grass of the morning:

Daniel 12:2
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 11:12-13
His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.”
Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep.

1 Corinthians 15:51-52
Listen, I tell you a mystery:

We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.

For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

Ephesians 5:14
This is why it is said: “Wake up, sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”

1 Thessalonians 4:13
Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope.

Certainly glad that the prots came along 1,600 years after the fact to set us straight!!!!Thanks!!

Perhaps the nuns taught you a different history; but I recall it was a CATHOLIC who got your chosen religion's attention by nailing something to a door somewhere.

CC, They always tell the truth,

Now, that is the truth....everything else is either false or at least in error.

They say the words they think you want to hear, to try draw you in, but their words do not mean the same as your words.

The Top Seven Techniques MORMONism Uses to Lie About Christianity

MORMONism spends much of it's time trying to hide what they teach from the public while Christians are perpetually frustrated by the fact that the American people don't seem to understand what they really believe. Both problems spring from a single source: MORMONism lies incessantly. That's not to say that there aren't conservative liars or truthful MORMONs; there are, but for MORMONism, lying is the rule, not the exception.

There are two reasons why MORMONism lies much more than conservatives. First off, this is a Judeo-Christian, GOD centered country and MORMONism's beliefs are much more unpopular than conservative ones. If MORMONism told the truth about what it believes and want to do, the LDS religious organization would practically be wiped out in much of the world.

Additionally, Christians tend to think MORMONs are merely stupid or emotional, while MORMONs tend to view Christians as evil -- and MORMONs use that belief to justify lying about Christianity. After all, if you lie about someone who's evil to keep them from doing bad things, couldn't that be considered virtuous? You may disagree with that, but MORMON politicians, bloggers, and journalists live by that rule. Any lie told about a Christian, even one that MORMONs know isn't true, will be uncritically repeated ad nauseum by the Left until the point it becomes politically disadvantageous to do so.

So, in order to help fight the lies of the Left, here's a guide to the most prevalent techniques that MORMONs use to mislead people about Christians. If you're listening to MORMONs talk about Christians, you're virtually guaranteed to hear at least one of these techniques used:

1) Question The Motivations:

When MORMONs are losing an argument, they love to shift the discussion not to the facts at hand, but to the motivation of the person on the other side. That's because it's almost impossible to prove what someone's motive may be for a particular action.
Thus, MORMONs can claim that the Tanners, who went toe-to-toe with LDS, Inc., beginning in the sixties, is actually a worthless organization.
From the MORMONism perspective, the more shameless the lies, the better because the target of the scandalous accusation and it's defenders will often waste inordinate amounts of time and energy fighting ridiculous, unfounded allegations that a certain percentage of uninformed Americans will simply assume are true without evidence.

2) The Anonymous Smear:

Want to launch an attack at a Christian, but don't have a credible source handy? No problem. Just take a vicious critic or an unreliable source and make them "anonymous."

3) The Teary Eyed Spokesman:

One of MORMONism's favorite tactics of late is to pick pathetic figures we're supposed to feel sorry for as spokesmen. That way, if you try to respond to the lies of someone like Cindy Sheehan, you're accused of picking on the mother of a dead soldier.

4) Rewriting History:

The American public has a short memory and MORMONs count on that to get away with many of their most egregious lies. For example, that's the factor MORMONs count on when they try to pretend that "Christians killed a LOT of MORMONs!"

5) Everybody Knows:

When MORMONs want to avoid a losing argument, they sometimes just refuse to have the argument at all and assure everyone that the matter has already been decided. Why, there's no need for Al Gore to even debate global warming with people who could easily blow holes the size of the Grand Canyon in his arguments because he insists that there's a non-existent "scientific consensus."

6) The Ransom Note Method:

One of MORMONism's favorite tricks is to take something a Christians says completely out-of-context and to attack that comment, even if it's obvious that they're twisting the meaning of what was said.
This one is especially insidious because some Christians foolishly blame other Christians for having their words taken out of context. However, the reality is that if someone is determined to distort what you say, he can always find something to twist around. The people who deserve blame in that situation are not the people whose words were misrepresented; it's the liars who have chosen to misrepresent what they said.

7) The Straw Man:

If you can't find a sin Christians have committed to attack, then invent one. This is one of the most used arrows in the quiver of MORMONs who claim that Christianity wants to create a theocracy, or ban LDS folks from holding office.

Unlike MORMONs, Christians believe most Americans share our values and so, if you want to know what we think, all you have to do is ask us and we will tell you.

Shamelessly modified from ---> http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2009/03/31/the_top_seven_techniques_liberals_use_to_lie_about_conservatives

If Joe Smith is to be believed two lights appeared to him, in his bedroom, or was it the garden? Or was it the forest or the mushroom patch? Anyway, the stories held as truth by the LDS faithful have Moroni appearing in more than one place and with differing degrees of ‘lightness’.

Detectives separate the perps to hear each one's 'story' to see if they match.

If you only have ONE perp; then they ask them to repeat the 'story' many times to see if it STILL matches...

Version Number When Published Brief Description	Age/Year	Evil Power	Pillar of Light or Fire	Number of Personages	Father	Son	Question: Join What Sect	Remarks
Official Version, Mormon scripture, Pearl of Great Price p. 47, 48, 1974 Ed.	Age 14 1820	Yes	Yes Light	2	Yes	Yes	Join None	Lucy, Hyrum, Samuel, Sopronia Join Presbyterian Church 1820
Paper by Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons March, April 1842	Same as item 1 above
Letter from Joseph Smith to John Wentworth, editor Chicago Democrat 1841 account Published March 1,1842	None given	No	No	2	?	?	No question, told all incorrect	Joseph Smith's First Vision by Milton V. Backman Jr. Bookcraft, Appendix D. Ensign, Jan.1985, p. 16
				Both looked the Same They spoke
Dictated by Joseph Smith, in hand of James Mulholland, 1838	Same as item 1 above, first known account of the official version.							Ensign, Jan. 1985 p. 14
Joseph Smith's diary of 1835, Recorded by Warren Cowdery Nov. 9, 1835, conversation of Joseph Smith with Joshua	Joseph, about 14	No Tongue seemed swollen; heard someone; at first couldn't pray	Yes Fire	One, and then another like unto the first	?	?	No question, told sins are forgiven, Jesus Christ is the Son of God	Joseph Smith's First Vision by Milton V. Backman Jr. Bookcraft, Appendix B
				Second spoke.
				Saw many angels
Messenger & Advocate by Oliver Cowdery supervised by Joseph Smith Feb. 1835 p. 77-79; Also see Dec. 1834 p. 43	Joseph 17 1823	No	Yes	1	No	No	No question told sin are forgiven	Note on pg. 78 that the revival was in 1823 (NOT 1820) so this must be the First Vision.
				Messenger from God
Dictated by Joseph Smith to F. G. Williams Summer to Nov. 1832	Joseph 14 or 16	No	Yes	1	No	Yes	No question, told "None doeth good", sins forgiven	Joseph Smith's First Vision by Milton V. Backman Jr. Bookcraft, Appendix A
				Saw Lord (Jesus) he "spoke"
Written by Joseph Smith, 1832 diary	Joseph 15	No	Yes	1	No	Yes	No question, told sins forgiven all do no good	Ensign, Dec. 1984 pgs. 24-26 Jan. 1985 pg. 11
				Saw the Lord Jesus Christ (said He was crucified)
Early Church leaders B. Young, G. A. Smith, J. Taylor	Joseph 15	No	No	1	No	No	Join None	Journal of Discourses, 2:171; 18:239; 13:77,78; 20:167; 12:333,334
				Saw an angel, and asked the angel

false is false.

" The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success

unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly -

- it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."

One of my MOST fervent prayers is that immaturity is not contagious.

Did you have children?

ohn the Baptist did not start a religious movement...there were no Baptists in the year 963, There were many Roman Catholics.... I'm going back a bit further than that....but nice try.

Pick a year, any year.....before 1609 there were NO BAPTISTS....none, not one.(Denomination, that is)

There was of course, John.....but he was a Catholic.

Aren't we all very happy that the Catholic church held that council at Nicea??????

Stormy is!

But he won't TOUCH the actual text to show what is wrong with it.

BoogeyMan!!!

She can blow in my ear anytime she wants to.....

I kinda sensed that...

.......and Catholics don't rely on Mary for their salvation....

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