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To: CynicalBear
Paul didn't "cease preaching the kingdom gospel". He was the one who differentiated between the "dispensation" of grace" and the attention again being given the people of Israel after "the fullness of the Gentiles".

The above is key so would like clarification. Did Paul preach two gospels; one of grace to the Gentiles and one of the kingdom to the Jews? If so how long did he teach/preach two different gospels? Or did he not at all preach the kingdom gospel?

On your other comments. Taking your Acts 2, 3 and 1 Peter 1 comments in stride, you paint two distinct classes of believers not just in end times but in the early church. At what point did this message of the physical kingdom end for good in the early church so that the gospel of grace could be realized for not only "Greek" but also for Jew?

Based on the above, how do you explain the same Holy Spirit falling on Jews and the Diaspora Jews on Pentecost and then later on Samaritans, Romans, Greeks... (Gentiles).

541 posted on 05/27/2015 10:06:33 AM PDT by redleghunter (1 Peter 1:3-5)
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To: redleghunter; smvoice
>>Did Paul preach two gospels; one of grace to the Gentiles and one of the kingdom to the Jews?<<

No, he preached the gospel of grace to all but clearly told of the time when Israel would be saved as a nation. Keep in mind that Paul also said that their hearts had been hardened in part meaning many of the Jews/Israelites would not believe until "the fullness of the Gentiles" comes.

>>Taking your Acts 2, 3 and 1 Peter 1 comments in stride, you paint two distinct classes of believers not just in end times but in the early church.<<

I certainly don't intend to as there are not. It's just that Peter understood Christ's mission to the Jews and the prophecy of His "Kingdom" sitting on the throne of David and that's what the Jews expected from prophecy. The "dispensation of grace" given to Paul wasn't understood by Peter and the 11 at that point.

>>At what point did this message of the physical kingdom end for good in the early church<<

It has never ended. After the last seven years of the promised 490 to Israel which is the tribulation Christ will set up an earthly Kingdom.

>>Based on the above, how do you explain the same Holy Spirit falling on Jews and the Diaspora Jews on Pentecost and then later on Samaritans, Romans, Greeks... (Gentiles).<<

The hardening of the hearts of the Israelites/Jews was "in part". There are many Jews who have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior but as a nation they are still not seeing Him as their Messiah. That will happen during the last half of the seven year tribulation which is "the time of Jacobs trouble".

543 posted on 05/27/2015 10:39:04 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: redleghunter; smvoice

I think we have to stop here and clarify something. Do you believe that the “church” has superseded the nation of Israel and God’s promises to it? Or do you believe that there are yet seven years left of the 490 years promised Israel in Daniels prophecies?


545 posted on 05/27/2015 10:41:44 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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