Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

Credo House ^ | May 21, 2015 | C. Michael Patton

[OK Sun]

My Dispensational Upbringing

I have been taught Dispensationalism from my mother’s womb. I was born in a dispensational environment. It was assumed at my church to be a part of the Gospel. There was never another option presented. It made sense. It helped me put together the Scriptures in a way that cleared up so much confusion. And, to be honest, the emphasis on the coming tribulation, current events that prove the Bible’s prophecy, the fear that the Antichrist may be alive today (who is he?) was all quite exciting. But what might be the biggest attraction for me is the charts! Oh how I love charts. I think in charts. And dispensationalism is a theology of charts!

Making Fun of Dispensationalism

The first time I came across someone who was not a Dispensationalist was in 1999. I am not kidding. It was the first time! I don’t think I even knew if there was another view. It was when I was a student at Dallas Theological Seminary (the bastion of Dispensationalism) and I was swimming with some guys who were at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. Once they discovered I was a dispensationalist, they giggled and snickered. They made fun of the rapture, the sacrificial system during the millennium, and the mark of the beast (which, at that time, was some type of barcode). It was as if they patted me on the head and said “It’s okay . . . nice little dispensationalist.” I was so angry. I was humiliated. I was a second-rate theologian. They were “Covenantalists” (whatever that was). But they were the cool guys who believed in the historic Christian faith and I was the cultural Christian, believing in novel ideas.

[editor-surveyor]

Michael Rood, the Messianic teacher that drives the dispys crazy with the scriptures.

[editor-surveyor]

https://www.youtube.com/user/aroodawakening

[editor-surveyor]

.
Michael Rood has not taught anything but scripture since he left the satanic error of dispensationalism in the dust of his sandals.

[CynicalBear]

>>Who is Rood?<<

The guys name is Michael Rood. He's a Jewish Rabbi wanna be who purports to be "a man of God". He's a false prophet and even claims to have his own interpretation of the Bible. He claims the scriptures we have today are not infallible and are corrupted interpretations of what he claims were the originals in Hebrew for which he has no proof. It has been shown many times that his interpretation of scripture is totally in error. I think metmom keeps a list of sites that expose many of his errors.

[CynicalBear]

Michael Rood is a fraud and a false prophet.

[smvoice]

Don’t post anything to me...I’ve given myself a time-out for an attitude adjustment...:)

[xzins]

It’s probably not all that significant that I’ve never heard of him before, but ES, I’ve known you for a while. I don’t recall your being “messianic”. I have no problem with that...but when did that happen? Or had I just missed it all along?

All that said, I tend to prefer teachers who present their positions and then give an analysis based on strength/weaknesses.

I tend also quickly to ignore any teacher that starts bad-mouthing our scriptures as corrupted, changed, irrelevant, untrustworthy, etc. If at some level, we don’t believe that God preserves His word, then what really are we basing ANYTHING on?

[MHGinTN]

Acts 2:13

[CynicalBear]

>>If at some level, we don’t believe that God preserves His word, then what really are we basing ANYTHING on?<<

Bingo!!

[MHGinTN]

God even allows errors in translation to use them later as a means to expose heresies ... need we focus again on ‘apostasia’? And look who refuses to accept the corrections!

[metmom]

Rood is a fraud, a false prophet, and a crook.

He’s part of the Hebrew Roots movement and was connected with The Way International.

And these links show just why nobody should be trusting him....

ARBITRATION BOARD RULES AGAINST MICHAEL ROOD
http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/spl_RoodArbitraRep.htm

Michael Rood
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/688-michael-rood-2

Michael Rood Teachings
http://www.seekgod.ca/roodteachings.htm

MICHAEL ROOD, DOOMSDAY PROPHET
http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/spl_rood.htm

Michael Rood of A Rood Awakening and Nehemia Gordon
US Speaking Tour January 2005
http://www.seekgod.ca/roodnewsflash.htm

Michael Rood and His “Rood Awakenings”
http://www.isitso.org/guide/rood.html

Michael John Rood: Marine Chaplain, Jewish Gentile Rabbi, & Reverend?
http://www.seekgod.ca/roodmarine.htm

ROOD’S CULTIC ROOTS IN “THE WAY INTERNATIONAL”
http://empirenet.com/~messiah7/spl_roodCultRoots.htm

ROOD’S “REVELATIONS” SELL CD’S
http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/rec_megalomaniacRood.htm

Michael Rood: WAY Colleagues, Occult Calendars & False Prophecies
http://www.seekgod.ca/roodzodiac.htm

Signs of The End Times Michael Rood
http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/spl_RoodArbitraRep.htm

From Here to Eternity, the Gospel of Michael Rood’s False Prophecy
http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/spl_roodprophecy.htm

The Ever Changing Michael Rood
http://www.seekgod.ca/roodeverchanges.htm

The Hebrew Roots Cult
http://fortheloveofhistruth.com/2012/04/17/the-hebrew-roots-cult/

DOES OBEYING THE LAWS AND COMMANDS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT PLEASE GOD?
http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/spl_RoodbiblOnLaw.htm

Satanic Translations:Shem Tov & The Toledoth Yeshu
http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/satanictranslations.html

HEBREW MATTHEW - Shem Tob - du Tillet - Munster
http://www.oneinmessiah.net/HEBREWMATTHEW.htm

The Cult that Snapped - A Journey Into The Way International
http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/recommended-reading/cult-recovery/the-cult-that-snapped-—a-journey-into-the-way-international.html

What is the Way International?
http://www.gotquestions.org/The-Way-International.html

[editor-surveyor]

While I’ve never used any poorly understood monikers like ‘messianic’ tends to be, I have recognized that the basic “Hebrew Roots” message is the exact message that Yeshua presented in the gospels, and also what Paul taught, for about 8 years.

It took a while to sort out what pastors were teaching from what the Bible actually says.

Reading from the original Hebrew version of Matthew helped considerably to overcome the small but troubling contradictions in chapter 23 of that gospel.

Once It became clear that it was the Pharisees’ man made laws that Paul was condemning, and that Torah was what he was teaching, suddenly Paul began to match John, James and Peter, and the whole Bible became one book without any confusing passages.

[xzins]

I don’t recall your using ‘messianic’ terminologies like Yeshua. That seems new to me.

[editor-surveyor]

Metmom, you have to be aware by now that none of that garbage you’ve posted has anything to do with Rood or any of his associates.

He is over the target, and he will definitely catch the flak.

[Seven_0]

While that is not at all true,

I believe that the first death is physical. Some people contend that Adam died spiritually when he ate of the tree. If that were true then spiritual death would be first and physical death would be second. What do you do with Revelation 20:14. There are only two deaths mentioned in scripture.

Spiritually we must die, not necessarily physically...

We need a good definition of death and resurrection. If you don't die, you do not need a resurrection. Thus the dead are raised and the living are changed. That is why we call it the rapture and not the resurrection. The resurrection applies only to the dead. Since it is appointed unto man once to die, there is no requirement to die spiritually and some may not die physically.

1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him

The old man is Adam and it is physical death spoken of here. Notice the order, natural always comes before spiritual. This is illustrated in scripture many times. First Adam then Christ. Cain then Able, Ishmael then Issac. Zerah then Pharez The nearer kinsman before Boaz. The Old Testament and the New Testament. Genesis gives the history of the natural man and ends in a coffin in Egypt. The gospels give the history of the spiritual man and ends in the ascension. There are many other examples, you know that the first birth is natural the second birth is spiritual. Perhaps death and resurrection follow the same pattern. I don’t offer proof, just evidence.

Apparently you are not at all familiar with God's instruction manual, the bible...

Seems rude.

[smvoice]

OK, that post brought me outta my time out. Could you please share the Scripture that first gave you this epiphany. Thanks

[editor-surveyor]

Yeshua is his name.

He was never called anything else when he walked the Earth, so why should I call him by a name that was devised by his enemies? (the acronym of Yimach Shimo Uezichro, “May his name be forgotten and never remembered”)

[xzins]

The point was that I don’t recall your doing so in the past. Am I incorrect?

[johniegrad]

Others have written about this also.

[editor-surveyor]

I was speaking of a small tweak found in Matthew 23:3.

The standard KJV text reads

All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

That is contradictory within itself.

The original Matthew read

“All therefore whatsoever He bids you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after the works of the Pharisees: for they say, and do not.”

In other words, all Yeshua was saying was follow Moses, not the Pharisees, which is then in agreement with the rest of the chapter, which roundly condemned everything the Pharisees said and did in the woes he spoke.