ebb tide, notice Elsie cannot or will not deal with this:
http://www.cin.org/users/jgallegos/web_aug.htm
He/she keeps posting over-and-over again the same comments from Augustine - all while apparently not knowing - or possibly not caring - that Augustine had a very different belief than the one aspect he/she is presenting.
Remember, as John Henry Newman, a former Protestant who knew Protestantism very well wrote:
“If you would have some direct downright proof that Catholicism is what Protestants make it to be, something which will come up to the mark, you must lie...To Protestantism False Witness is the principle of propagation. There are indeed able men who can make a striking case out of anything or nothing, as great painters give a meaning and a unity to the commonest bush, and pond, and paling and stile: genius can do without facts, as well as create them; but few possess the gift. Taking things as they are, and judging of them by the long run, one may securely say, that the anti-Catholic Tradition could not be kept alive, would die of exhaustion, without a continual supply of fable.” (Lecture 4. True Testimony Insufficient for the Protestant View)
Anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows this.
Yup; that Auggie was so stupid he didn't know that WHAT HE WAS saying would NOT be 'official' church doctrine in the years to follow.
verga keeps posting over-and-over again the same comments from Newman - all while apparently not knowing - or possibly not caring - that Newman had a very different belief than the one aspect verga is trying to present.