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To: Kandy Atz
(Romans 11; Hebrews 6:4-9; 10:26-29; 2 Peter 2:20-22). These letters were written primarily to Jewish Believers while the Kingdom of Heaven was still being preached, and BEFORE Paul unveiled the Mystery of the Body of Christ.
    What a novel idea,
  1. that the letter to the Romans was written primarily to the Jews, For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: Romans, Catholic chapter eleven, Protestant verse thirteen,
    as authorized, but not authored, by King James.
  2. that Hebrews was written before Paul's prison epistles, instead of after as commonly taught
  3. that Second Peter was written before Paul's prison epistles, instead of after as commonly taught, and so presumably even before First Peter ...
  4. The phrase "kingdom of heaven" does not appear in the scriptures after the four gospels. The LORD Jesus Christ ascended into heaven very early in Acts. Just how early do you intend to date these letters ?

76 posted on 05/17/2015 8:23:46 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

I challenge you to square what is taught throughout the time of Acts, with God’s Revelation which was revealed through Paul primarily in his Prison letters. It can’t be done without twisting yourself into a religious pretzel.

Stumble down into the religious ditch if you must, but there is freedom from religion waiting for those of us who are part of the Body of Christ, where there is neither Jew or Gentile, male or female etc. Those of us who are made alive in Christ, blessed with every spiritual Blessing, and seated in the Heavenly places in Christ Jesus, are in a very different position than those that are described by the “grafted tree” analogy. Believers are not servants, or even friends, we are part of the family. All religious division is gone in Christ - although the religious among us, and the enemy, still cause plenty of problems.

Let’s consider the verse you posted above:

Romans 11:23-24 (AMP)
23 And even those others [the fallen branches, Jews], if they do not persist in [clinging to] their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.
24 For if you have been cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and against nature grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much easier will it be to graft these natural [branches] back on [the original parent stock of] their own olive tree.

Does that teaching sound anything like what is below?

Ephesians 2:5-6 (AMP)
5 Even when we were dead (slain) by [our own] shortcomings and trespasses, He made us alive together in fellowship and in union with Christ; [He gave us the very life of Christ Himself, the same new life with which He quickened Him, for] it is by grace (His favor and mercy which you did not deserve) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ’s salvation).
6 And He raised us up together with Him and made us sit down together [giving us joint seating with Him] in the heavenly sphere [by virtue of our being] in Christ Jesus (the Messiah, the Anointed One).

Ephesians 2:10-16 (AMP)
10 For we are God’s [own] handiwork (His workmanship), recreated in Christ Jesus, [born anew] that we may do those good works which God predestined (planned beforehand) for us [taking paths which He prepared ahead of time], that we should walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us to live].
11 Therefore, remember that at one time you were Gentiles (heathens) in the flesh, called Uncircumcision by those who called themselves Circumcision, [itself a mere mark] in the flesh made by human hands.
12 [Remember] that you were at that time separated (living apart) from Christ [excluded from all part in Him], utterly estranged and outlawed from the rights of Israel as a nation, and strangers with no share in the sacred compacts of the [Messianic] promise [with no knowledge of or right in God’s agreements, His covenants]. And you had no hope (no promise); you were in the world without God.
13 But now in Christ Jesus, you who once were [so] far away, through (by, in) the blood of Christ have been brought near.
14 For He is [Himself] our peace (our bond of unity and harmony). He has made us both [Jew and Gentile] one [body], and has broken down (destroyed, abolished) the hostile dividing wall between us,
15 By abolishing in His [own crucified] flesh the enmity [caused by] the Law with its decrees and ordinances [which He annulled]; that He from the two might create in Himself one new man [one new quality of humanity out of the two], so making peace.
16 And [He designed] to reconcile to God both [Jew and Gentile, united] in a single body by means of His cross, thereby killing the mutual enmity and bringing the feud to an end.

Colossians 2:8-11 (AMP)
8 See to it that no one carries you off as spoil or makes you yourselves captive by his so-called philosophy and intellectualism and vain deceit (idle fancies and plain nonsense), following human tradition (men’s ideas of the material rather than the spiritual world), just crude notions following the rudimentary and elemental teachings of the universe and disregarding [the teachings of] Christ (the Messiah).
9 For in Him the whole fullness of Deity (the Godhead) continues to dwell in bodily form [giving complete expression of the divine nature].
10 And you are in Him, made full and having come to fullness of life [in Christ you too are filled with the Godhead—Father, Son and Holy Spirit—and reach full spiritual stature]. And He is the Head of all rule and authority [of every angelic principality and power].
11 In Him also you were circumcised with a circumcision not made with hands, but in a [spiritual] circumcision [performed by] Christ by stripping off the body of the flesh (the whole corrupt, carnal nature with its passions and lusts).

That has been in God’s Word for 2,000 years, and yet the religious folks keep confusing what is meant for the Body, with what was taught during the transition time of Acts.


83 posted on 05/17/2015 9:22:31 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: af_vet_1981
that the letter to the Romans was written primarily to the Jews, For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

You should consider reading that passage carefully, allow the Holy Spirit to reveal its Truth. NOTE - Paul is addressing GENTILES. Hmmmmmmm....

Note the transition AWAY from religious division reaching its pinnacle upon the Revelation of the Body of Christ in the Prison letters.

Galatians 3:28-29 (AMP) - 28 There is [now no distinction] neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ [are in Him Who is Abraham's Seed], then you are Abraham's offspring and [spiritual] heirs according to promise.

There is still the reference to Judaism, but the divisions are fading. Now look at what Paul writes in Colossians.

Colossians 3:11-12 (AMP) - 11 [In this new creation all distinctions vanish.] There is no room for and there can be neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, [nor difference between nations whether alien] barbarians or Scythians [who are the most savage of all], nor slave or free man; but Christ is all and in all [everything and everywhere, to all men, without distinction of person]. 12 Clothe yourselves therefore, as God's own chosen ones (His own picked representatives), [who are] purified and holy and well-beloved [by God Himself, by putting on behavior marked by] tenderhearted pity and mercy, kind feeling, a lowly opinion of yourselves, gentle ways, [and] patience [which is tireless and long-suffering, and has the power to endure whatever comes, with good temper].

The divisions have vanished completely and now there is spiritual unity in the Body of Christ. And as he tells us in Ephesians, all spiritual Blessings belong to us.

Ephesians 1:3-5 (AMP) - 3 May blessing (praise, laudation, and eulogy) be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah) Who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual (given by the Holy Spirit) blessing in the heavenly realm! 4 Even as [in His love] He chose us [actually picked us out for Himself as His own] in Christ before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy (consecrated and set apart for Him) and blameless in His sight, even above reproach, before Him in love. 5 For He foreordained us (destined us, planned in love for us) to be adopted (revealed) as His own children through Jesus Christ, in accordance with the purpose of His will [because it pleased Him and was His kind intent]—

84 posted on 05/17/2015 9:54:29 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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