[terycarl]

Okay... how about a challenge for you: CCC 841 states that Roman Catholics worship the the same 'merciful God' as Muslims.

No challenge at all...that is in no way an infallible teaching of the Catholic church...it was a person who expressed that opinion...I don't agree and my opinion is every bit as important as his....not very.

[daniel1212]

CCC 841 states that Roman Catholics worship the the same 'merciful God' as Muslims.

No challenge at all...that is in no way an infallible teaching of the Catholic church...it was a person who expressed that opinion...I don't agree and my opinion is every bit as important as his....not very.

Really, so Lumen Gentium 16 and the CCC were only written by a person, or it does not in fact say Roman Catholics worship the the same 'merciful God' as Muslims, and or only infallible teachings are what RCs are to obey?

[HossB86]

Interesting. According to usccb.org. The CCC seems to hold more importance than you realize. A few entries:

"Is the doctrinal authority of the Catechism equal to that of the dogmatic definitions of a pope or ecumenical council?

By its very nature, a catechism presents the fundamental truths of the faith which have already been communicated and defined. Because the Catechism presents Catholic doctrine in a complete yet summary way, it naturally contains the infallible doctrinal definitions of the popes and ecumenical councils in the history of the Church. It also presents teaching which has not been communicated and defined in these most solemn forms. This does not mean that such teaching can be disregarded or ignored. Quite to the contrary, the Catechism presents Catholic doctrine as an organic whole and as it is related to Christ who is the center. A major catechism, such as the Catechism of the Catholic Church, presents a compendium of Church teachings and has the advantage of demonstrating the harmony that exists among those teachings. p> Is the doctrinal authority of the Catechism equal to the documents of the Second Vatican Council?

Just as the Catechism contains the most solemnly defined dogmas of the Church, it also contains the teachings of the Second Vatican Council. The worldwide consultation of the bishops that preceded the promulgation of the Catechism gives it a collegial character. It is, as Pope John Paul II said, "the result of a collaboration of the whole episcopate." It would seem, however, that the Catechism did not have the benefit of the complete exercise of effective collegiality that accompanies the writing, disputation, revision, consensus, agreement and eventual promulgation of documents of an ecumenical council. But it must be noted that the form of a catechism is distinct from the form of conciliar documents. They are complimentary, but they are not identical.

Does this mean that the Catechism can be disregarded?

No. The Catechism is part of the Church's ordinary teaching authority. Pope John Paul II placed his apostolic authority behind it. Its doctrinal authority is proper to the papal Magisterium. In Fidei Depositum John Paul II termed the Catechism a "sure norm for teaching the faith" and "a sure and authentic reference text." He asked "the Church's pastors and the Christian faithful to receive this catechism in a spirit of communion and to use it assiduously in fulfilling their mission of proclaiming the faith and calling people to the Gospel life."

Bold/italics mine

It appears you may not be properly carechized as it appears you are in major disagreement with Rome!! Not only Rome, but a Pope's apostolic authority!!

Now...the question again: do you agree with the CCC and profess to worship the same "God" as the Muslims or are you denouncing the CCC's just proven authority and rebelling against Rome by disagreeing?

Hoss

[metmom]

No challenge at all...that is in no way an infallible teaching of the Catholic church...it was a person who expressed that opinion...I don't agree and my opinion is every bit as important as his....not very.

just.... wow.....

The Catechism of the Catholic church is just an "opinion"?????????? And the CCC is not infallible?

YOPIOCCC. Every man his own pope, deciding for himself what to believe out of the CCC and interpreting it himself.

1.2 billion popes.

I however, have to agree that your opinion is not very important.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330

[Elsie]

No challenge at all...that is in no way an infallible teaching of the Catholic church...it was a person who expressed that opinion...

WHAT?!?!?

Are you saying the CCC can NOT be trusted to teach the Infallible TRuth of the CHURCH??

[CynicalBear]

>>No challenge at all...that is in no way an infallible teaching of the Catholic church...it was a person who expressed that opinion...I don't agree and my opinion is every bit as important as his....not very.<<

Canon 752: “While the assent of faith is not required, a religious submission of intellect and will is to be given to any doctrine which either the Supreme Pontiff or the College of Bishops, exercising their authentic Magisterium, declare upon a matter of faith or morals, even though they do not intend to proclaim that doctrine by definitive act. Christ's faithful are therefore to ensure that they avoid whatever does not accord with that doctrine.”

Canon 753: “While not infallible in their teaching, [Catholic bishops] are the authentic instructors and teachers of the faith for Christ's faithful entrusted to their care. The faithful are bound to adhere, with a religious submission of mind, to this authentic Magisterium of their Bishops.”

Are you one of those not well Catechized?