Posted on 04/25/2015 10:33:08 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Ignoring that Muslims don't worship the same God when they deny Christ.
Reason is the Devil's greatest whore; by nature and an manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil's appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom. . . . Throw dung in her face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be drowned in baptism. . . . She would deserve, the wretch, to be banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the closets
Usury, drunkenness, adulterythese crimes are self-evident and the world knows that they are sinful; but that bride of the Devil, `Reason', stalks abroad, the fair courtesan, and wishes to be considered wise, and thinks that whatever she says comes from the Holy Ghost. She is the most dangerous harlot the Devil has.
Reason is contrary to faith... Reason is the whore of the Devil. It can only blaspheme and dishonour everything God has said or done
All quotes taken from Martin Luther, Works, Erlangen Edition
Or we could recall Luther on the Jews and bask in his simple, limpid words: redolent of true spirituality.
These quotes taken from On the Jews and Their Lies:
"My advice, as I said earlier, is: First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire...
Second, that all their books-- their prayer books, their Talmudic writings, also the entire Bible-- be taken from them, not leaving them one leaf, and that these be preserved for those who may be converted...
Third, that they be forbidden on pain of death to praise God, to give thanks, to pray, and to teach publicly among us and in our country...
Fourth, that they be forbidden to utter the name of God within our hearing. For we cannot with a good conscience listen to this or tolerate it..."
And in another place:
"Burn their synagogues. Forbid them all that I have mentioned above. Force them to work and treat them with every kind of severity, as Moses did in the desert and slew three thousand...
If that is no use, we must drive them away like mad dogs, in order that we may not be partakers of their abominable blasphemy and of all their vices, and in order that we may not deserve the anger of God and be damned with them."
And this startling take on Christ's command to baptize the whole world in the name of the Trinity:
"If I had to baptize a Jew, I would take him to the bridge of the Elbe, hang a stone round his neck and push him over with the words I baptize thee in the name of Abraham."
Also an intriguing admonition apparently straight from the Book of Esther:
"The Jews deserve to be hanged on gallows seven times higher than ordinary thieves."
But it's not just the Jews that Luther, uh, cared about. Let's not forget his tireless battle on behalf of the most downtrodden in society - the peasants of the 16th century .
Let's bask in the warm glow of Luther, freedom fighter as he speaks to the German princes:
To kill a peasant is not murder; it is helping to extinguish the conflagration. Let there be no half measures! Crush them! Cut their throats! Transfix them! Leave no stone unturned! To kill a peasant is to destroy a mad dog!
Our princes must in the circumstances regard themselves as the officers of the divine wrath which bids them chastise such scoundrels. A prince who failed to do so would be sinning against God very badly. He would be failing in his mission.
A prince who in such circumstances avoided bloodshed would become responsible for the murders and all the further crimes which these low swine might commit. It is no longer a question of tolerance, patience, pity. It is the hour of wrath and for the sword; the hour for mercy is past.
It is a trifle for God to massacre a lot of peasants, when He drowned the whole world with a flood and wiped out Sodom with fire. He is an almighty and frightful God.
These quotes again taken from Martin Luther, Works, Erlangen Edition.
Take another look at your hero. Don't be the last guy wearing a 'Che' tea-shirt.
As always, you live in an anti-Catholic dream world. Dream on, friend.
His Roman Catholic roots were certainly showing.
When you do not have a reply...just toss out everything you can think of
Shallow reasoning ...part of what makes catholics..
Once again, CCC841 does not use the term "the same god". The term "the same god" itself is problematic; there is only one god, see Isaiah 43ff.
The only possible choices are not "the same god" or "a different god," but are instead (a) Muslims worship a demon or similar being; (b) Muslims worship a construct of the human imagination; or (c) Muslims worship the true God, but fail to understand him correctly.
Change "Muslims" to "Jews" in the preceding sentence, and I'll bet you pick option "c". Which option is correct in the case of Muslims is not a slam-dunk. There may be aspects of all three.
... but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence; 16 and keep a good conscience ... -- 1 Peter 3:15-16 [NASB]
I see nothing there about insulting people. Where in the Scriptures do you find it?
As a Lutheran, I agree with you. And so, I suspect, would Luther.
I don’t know about the scene you are describing, but the sentiment is something I think k about every time I read articles like this and the ensuing comments. Enemies are kicking in the doors and have already scaled the walls and people here persist at tearing at each others’ throats.
Are you saying his observations are not accurate?
My world is filled with the people he describes ...Catholics that only go to mass on Christmas and Easter.. Catholics that have told me they would never pray to saints, or say a rosary ..Catholics that have told me they do not believe in purgatory
Idiocy like this is about as far from the thoughts of e.g., Thomas Aquinas as you can possibly get.
To Calvin's credit, he was not irrational-and-proud-of-it, as Luther sometimes was.
He rejected the Church.
His seething hatred and confusion were the fruit of that rejection.
It's the fruit of an overwhelmingly Protestant society where Self and Self Alone rules.
Pro 4:2 For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.
Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Freepers persist in posting these dumb attack-threads, and they keep on winning the same dumb prizes.
The fact is that less that probably 1/2 of the people baptized Catholics actually are in any way Catholic..
They may bring their kids for baptism , seek a church to marry or be buried in ...but other than that they are nothing.. and so indeed they do use birth control, have abortions , and support gay rights.. .. but they still call themselves Roman Catholics.. and so they still belong to your church
Yes, truth is truth and can’t be anything else or it isn’t truth.
Those who appease sinners do them no favors and the wrath of God will be on those who call sin good just so no one gets their feelings hurt.
Luther’s final attitude toward the Jewish people, as evidenced in his last sermon: “We want to treat them with Christian love and to pray for them, so that they might become converted and would receive the Lord” (Weimar edition, Vol. 51, p. 195).
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