It’s Time for The Vatican to be Realistic About Islam

One Peter 5 ^ | April 24, 2015 | Steve Skojec

[Carpe Cerevisi]

In what is an ongoing frustration for many Catholics, the Vatican continues to insist on friendly relations with Islam. It started with Nostra Aetate #3 and Lumen Gentium #16, neither of which are particularly compatible with what the saints previously said about Islam. Since the Second Vatican Council, this innovative understanding of a religion Catholic thinkers like Belloc have characterized as a “great heresy” continues to spiral. In Evangelii Gaudium #253, Pope Francis asserts that “authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.” More recently, there has been common prayer in the Vatican gardens (where the imam went off-script and used subversive, anti-Trinitarian language in Arabic).

Meanwhile various Islamic groups have been talking about conquering Rome.

[CharlesOConnell]

Okay, so, what's "The Vatican"?

And so, what in particular was unrealistic when Ratzinger kicked the hornet's nest with his Regensberg lecture?

[Triple]

Holy Koran - Really?

There is no Saint Mohammad - So, either his supernatural visitations were a lie, and did not occur.

-—OR-—

They were not divine visitations, but rather demonic. If they were truly divine visitations, simply, there would be a Saint Mohammad.

The vatican archives, no doubt, have the Church’s true thoughts on Mohammad. We all know he never started down the path to Sainthood, so the truth MUST be damning, literally.

[Carpe Cerevisi]

Okay, so, what's "The Vatican"?

HQ for the Catholic Church.

And so, what in particular was unrealistic when Ratzinger kicked the hornet's nest with his Regensberg lecture?

Nothing that I can see. Did the author imply that something was?

[Carpe Cerevisi]

Where is “Saint Mohammed” even mentioned in the article posted?

[Alex Murphy]

In what is an ongoing frustration for many Catholics, the Vatican continues to insist on friendly relations with Islam. It started with Nostra Aetate #3 and Lumen Gentium #16, neither of which are particularly compatible with what the saints previously said about Islam. Since the Second Vatican Council, this innovative understanding of a religion Catholic thinkers like Belloc have characterized as a “great heresy” continues to spiral. In Evangelii Gaudium #253, Pope Francis asserts that “authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.” More recently, there has been common prayer in the Vatican gardens (where the imam went off-script and used subversive, anti-Trinitarian language in Arabic). Meanwhile various Islamic groups have been talking about conquering Rome.

Who's ready for a quote from the Catechism?

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims.
"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

[Enten]

If the Vatican chose to get real about islam, they would raise an army.

[Triple]

Between the lines...duh.

My point is - the PR campaign of unity with Islam, is actually against official Church findings. If islam was worthy of inclusion, there would have to be a St. Mohammad. (There isn’t, and it’s not)

[piusv]

Ratzinger also reneged on his Regensberg comments ...ie. he apologized.

[Carpe Cerevisi]

You forgot to bold this part:

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

[piusv]

Compared with what popes and saints have said about Islam and Muslims before VII:

http://defeatmodernism.com/defeatmodernism/popes-saints-state-islam-is-diabolic-false-religion9142012

[Kozy]

islam, Nazis before there were Nazis.

They are today’s Nazis.

[Alex Murphy]

You forgot to bold this part: "..these profess to hold the faith of Abraham..."

Why did you de-emphasize this part? "...and together with us they adore the one, merciful God..." Does not the Catholic Church profess to hold to the faith of Abraham, too?

[Alex Murphy]

Ratzinger also reneged on his Regensberg comments

Try saying that three times while selling sea shells on the sea shore.

[Salvation]

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[Carpe Cerevisi]

Nowhere in 841 does it imply that Muslims are saved. Additionally, actually “professing to hold” the faith of Abraham can be quite different from “holding the faith”.

[piusv]

Nostra Aetate also states:

The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God.

[NRx]

More recently, there has been common prayer in the Vatican gardens (where the imam went off-script and used subversive, anti-Trinitarian language in Arabic).

"Let any Bishop, or Presbyter, or deacon that merely joins in prayer with heretics be suspended, but if he had permitted them to perform any service as Clergymen, let him be deposed." -Canon XLV of the Apostolic Canons

[piusv]

And this “common prayer” has been going on since Vatican II. In fact, rather than deposing such clerics, the post Vatican II Church has sainted such a cleric: JPII.

[piusv]

lol...I had trouble typing it.