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To: Resettozero
Yes indeed. You are still mistaking what is being posted here and that aspect of the discussion. Deliberately, I wonder.

Not at all; it is very evident there are nonCatholics and/or former Catholics here who do not believe that the Jews worship the same God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as they purport to worship themselves. The Catholic Catechism, on the other hand, teaches otherwise and I am grateful not to be in an antiSemitic faith community.

The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People.

When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ",328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329 840 And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

835 posted on 04/22/2015 4:10:12 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

Okay. But please cease from pinging me to posts that don’t involve me. Thanks.


841 posted on 04/22/2015 5:00:55 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: af_vet_1981; Resettozero; RnMomof7; Burkianfrombrklyn

Then what would you call the likes of this;

Is it "anti-semiticism"? I know it to be false presentation of the more basic and fundamental facts.

Do you understand the accusation there? It conveys the notion that the Jews stripped out books of scripture (ha! as if they would do that!) from what would equate to idea or concept of 'canon' ---because of Christians, and no other reason.

Of course the real truth is that the religious authorities of Jerusalem did not and had never presented books of Apocrypha as being accepted as Holy Writ.

The written testimony of Josephus establishes that the Jews did not have a loose, undefined collection of writings which they considered as their canon, but rather they had a certain and firm number of writings. Josephus directly addresses that point.

As far as anti-Jewish sentiment ---- that began long ago within Catholicism.

Steps are being taken now to combat that. It is true that it could be said that anti-antisemitism was not always universal within the Christian Church, although I've come across expressions which could be seen as 'anti-Jewish' beginning right about the time those of the Church began to speak ill of Jews somewhat indiscriminately for reason that the seeming mainstream of Jewish religious teaching and subsequent mindset continued to outwardly express rejection of the one known of as "Jesus" was the promised Messiah, and as begotten Son of God was thus God himself also, come to the world in the flesh ---- Immanuel, God with us.

As for the Church of Rome in particular, it most certainly cannot be said that there has never been anti-Jewish sentiment. The first Jewish ghetto was in Rome, created (and later enforced) under guidance & orders of the Church of Rome.

That one individual here spoke briefly of Jews lacking a saving God (that was much how that was phrased, correct?) does not equate with being anti-semiticism, but rather was speaking towards theological understandings and the very basis of faith itself.

As it is written;

Acts 4

11 This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’[a] 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated and untrained men, they marveled. And they realized that they had been with Jesus.

My own view tends towards some amount of generosity (as much as possible whenever possible) to be extended to those of Jewish faith today ---- most particularly and first for those of them who grasp the spirit of the Law and thus recognize (if but through a glass darkly, as Paul wrote of Christians themselves, 1 Corithinians 13) just who the heavenly Creator is.

There could as well be (something of a minority?) among Muslims, who despite the wholesale distortions which Mohammed foisted upon what he had hi-jacked from Judaism & Christianity and re-worded, claiming it to be his own revelation -- some still seem to understand such basics as what Christ spoke towards as being that upon which hangs all the law and all the prophets.

Some get it (at times and places) despite the clouds of oratory and *extra* law gone on about in many, many words by their Immans. Even so --- by philosophy and understanding of principles alone none can be saved. It is simply not enough -- to better than the worst one can be.

But now evangelical types are being categorized by yourself as anti-semitic?

I saw the whole thing. It's awfully thin gruel to now be used as a slathering put-down which could be also characterized as "oh, at least I'm not anti-semitic (like you guys)".

That sort of posturing is as 'helpful' to discussion as the charge of racism hurled at those who dare criticism Obama is.

845 posted on 04/22/2015 5:51:46 PM PDT by BlueDragon (...slicing through the bologna like Belushi at a Samurai Delicatessen...)
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